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  • I doubt China would agree.
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    • Originally posted by Serb


      If we compare two wars wich lasted aproximately the same time- Soviet war in Afganistan and American in Vietnam, then we will see that Soviets lost 14 500 KIA, while Americans lost about 60 000 KIA.
      Any questions?
      Soviet death toll is about 15,000-17,000, but Afghani death toll is above the million mark, from what I've read.

      Anyway, good point and comparison.

      PS. Serb, idi na simcountry.com i registratziyu zdelai. viberi stranu sibe i padpishis na Union of Soviet Socialist Republics federation. ya control na ne'yo derzhu. moya strana Russian Soviet Socialist Republic.

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      • Don't make me bring out the babelfish!
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        • Originally posted by The Mad Monk
          Don't make me bring out the babelfish!
          Bah, you absolutely cannot have any privacy around here.

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          • Are the soviet forces casualty figures from soviet records which to be fair aren't renowned for theri honesty.
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            • It's called a "PM". Look into it.
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              • Originally posted by The Mad Monk
                I doubt China would agree.
                I doubt all Native Americans would agree.

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                • Don't need all -- just most. And if you count all the mixed-ancestry ones (such as myself), I'm pretty sure you have that.
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                  • Originally posted by TheStinger
                    Are the soviet forces casualty figures from soviet records which to be fair aren't renowned for theri honesty.
                    Blah...blah...blah...
                    Untill you show anything else, I prefer to believe to statistic of Soviet Defense Department which says something like this 14 397 KIA (I don't remember exact number, but it's less then 14 500).

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                    • Originally posted by Serb


                      I doubt all Native Americans would agree.
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                      • Originally posted by TheStinger
                        Are the soviet forces casualty figures from soviet records which to be fair aren't renowned for theri honesty.
                        According to CIA records, I believe they state 22,000 Soviets dead, 100,000 mujahdin and 10% of the entire population of Afghanistan, attributed mostly to the rebels and their guerilla tactics, but some also attributed to the Soviets; mostly because of the random mines planted or dropped. Also some instances of gas attacks happened.

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                          • Well if you prefer to take your stats form those sources then fine, I can't show you anything else other than the history of soviet statistic which were invariably falsified.
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                            • Those figures are accepted by the majority of historians. Not to mention they come from reliable sources, like the CIA archives.

                              BTW, just to add to the conflict, some people also forget that the Soviets not only fought Pakistani rebels, but other groups as well. Two of those groups now go by the names of Taliban and the Northern Alliance, both of whom, might I add, committeed numerous acts of genocide, emphasis being on Taliban, both before and especially after 1992.

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                              • Anyway, I'm off to bed.

                                Take care, all.

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