Indiana's Bid to Join the Bible Belt

[Ben Kenobi]

Obiwan, you're being obtuse. The default setting for the school is monotheism. Not a specific monotheistic belief, but a specific kind of religion- one god, not specifically female.

The Athenians used to have a memorial to the unknown god, since they did not want to leave anyone out. The important part is not the terminology, but the spirit behind the terminology. One could make a credible case that the God in this slogan must be the Christian God because of the faith of the founders.

However, this adminstrator admitted the accomodating purpose behind the slogan, to allow all students to worship as they choose.

As for the athiests, come up with a positive affirmation of your faith. What do you believe in? An example of an edited slogan:

We believe in all gods, and in no god and in the one true God.

[Elden]

Originally posted by MacTBone
Unfortunately, this Governor has already shown a willingness to encourage this sort of a thing.

From http://www.in.gov/legislative/hdpr/R62_03142000.html

It's a good idea

If the government doesn't want the Ten Commandments then will they make murder legal, after all, it's one of the Ten?

If not they can leave them on display!

[Kropotkin]

With your logic (or lack there of) people that don't follow the ten commandments don't want murders to be illegal. That's just an absurd line of thought.

[Jack the Bodiless]

Here we go again!

The national motto WAS "E Pluribus Unum". It was changed by Christian extremists, just as the Pledge of Allegiance was.

Now the excuse that "it's the national motto" is being used to display a blatant religious message. This is EXACTLY why "under God" should be stripped from the Pledge, and why the motto should be restored also.

I have a question for the Christians who think this is OK. If I manage to get a state motto changed to "Christianity is a fraud", then would you object to the erection of a large concrete slab proclaiming "CHRISTIANITY IS A FRAUD" in front of schools and other public buildings?

It's the state motto, so it's OK, yes?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by obiwan18



However, this adminstrator admitted the accomodating purpose behind the slogan, to allow all students to worship as they choose.

As for the athiests, come up with a positive affirmation of your faith. What do you believe in? An example of an edited slogan:

We believe in all gods, and in no god and in the one true God.

'To allow all students to worship as they choose'- except the ones that don't believe in worshipping, god/s, God, goddess/es or Elmer Fudd.

The default setting is not a religious conviction, or belief in a divine supernatural being or beings- keep your imaginary friends out of the secular classroom, thanks.

A positive affirmation of my faith? I don't have a 'faith'.
But I'd choose something with as much meaning as 'in god we trust'-

I love to boogie.

[Elden]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
With your logic (or lack there of) people that don't follow the ten commandments don't want murders to be illegal. That's just an absurd line of thought.

Thats nothing like what I said - I'm saying why remove it, not add it.

[Kropotkin]

You jumped from the ten commandments to the legalization of murder. That's the logical problem.

[Richelieu]

INDIANAPOLIS -- Indiana has become the first state in the country to enact a law that will enable officials to display the Ten Commandments on school and government property, thanks to legislation authored by State Rep. Jerry Denbo (D-French Lick) that was approved today by Gov. Frank O'Bannon.

France's efforts to destabilize the US.

[Elden]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
You jumped from the ten commandments to the legalization of murder. That's the logical problem.

No I'm saying whats wrong with them - they prohibit murder, law prohibits murder. They prohibit theft, law prohibits theft. ETC. ETC.

EDIT: My point is the law and commandments agree on MOST things.

[Jack the Bodiless]

It's hard to imagine that you CAN'T see what's wrong with them, but if you insist:

Can I post my own?

1. Christianity is a fraud.
2. All Christians should tithe 10% of their income to me.
3. Murder is wrong.
4. Theft is wrong.

...And so forth.

Whats wrong with them - they prohibit murder, law prohibits murder. They prohibit theft, law prohibits theft. ETC. ETC.

I'm wondering if you've actually read them? The First Commandment is DEFINITELY unacceptable to us.

[Elden]

Originally posted by Jack the Bodiless
1. Christianity is a fraud.

You clerly don't know what your talking about, you are about to be added to my ignore list.

[Jack the Bodiless]

...Actually, as I don't worship any other gods either, does this mean that I'm complying with "worship no other gods before me"?

I don't think many Christians will judge that atheists are complying with that one. Even if we are, I'll choose to support the Wiccans and Hindus on this issue.

[Elden]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Jack the Bodiless
...Actually, as I don't worship any other gods either, does this mean that I'm complying with "worship no other gods before me"?
[QUOTE]

I said most not all.

[Jack the Bodiless]

Originally posted by Elden


You clerly don't know what your talking about, you are about to be added to my ignore list.

You're sensitive enough to get THAT upset about the assertion that "Christianity is a fraud", but WE shouldn't care about "in God we trust"?

Today's Bible reading: Luke 6:41.

I said most not all.

How would most Christians react to a monument listing only eight Commandments? (better drop the graven-images one also). They'd probably call it sacrilege.

[Elden]

Originally posted by Jack the Bodiless
Today's Bible reading: Luke 6:41.

You may want to read it aswell.

Originally posted by Jack the Bodiless
How would most Christians react to a monument listing only eight Commandments? (better drop the graven-images one also). They'd probably call it sacrilege.

You took what I said out of contest so I repeat

Originally posted by Elden
the law and commandments agree on MOST things.

That has nothing to do with you attempting to alter the Commandments!