Gay bashing does still happen, contrary to misconceptions...

[Boris Godunov]

You've never seen Don Giovanni then.

[Az]

He's a Texan, what do you expect?


Yes, yes, I didn't see Don Giovanni , either.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well what do Hate Crime statutes do? I mean, yes it goes after those that target a class specifically, but what punishment does that lead to?

[monolith94]

Or "A clockwork Orange"

[Ben Kenobi]

Well, mom, maybe you forgot to teach your son about tolerance while he was growing up.

Her son's an adult. Isn't he responsible for his own actions?

Secondly, Boris, what does it take to classify a crime as directed against gay people? Use of derogatory terms intended for gays when pummeling your victim?

[Dis]

I'm sorry but straight guys get bashed all the time in assault too. Violence against men is still higher than violence against women.

I'm not supporting gay bashing. I'm just saying it should be treated equally with other bashing of human beings.

The punishment should be the same for either case.

[Wittlich]

Originally posted by obiwan18

Secondly, Boris, what does it take to classify a crime as directed against gay people? Use of derogatory terms intended for gays when pummeling your victim?

Stalking an individual and then assaulting them (because the person happened to be seen leaving a gay night club) is a crime directed against gay people.

Using derogatory terms while they are attacking their intended victim is just icing on the cake.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Azazel
He's a Texan, what do you expect?

Well, Texas is the home of the Houston Grand Opera, one of the country's most prominent opera companies.

Yes, yes, I didn't see Don Giovanni , either.

Imagine a walking, talking statue coming in and dragging Don Juan off to Hell.

Secondly, Boris, what does it take to classify a crime as directed against gay people? Use of derogatory terms intended for gays when pummeling your victim?

Considering, as Wittlich pointed out, these scumbags targeted a guy coming out of a gay bar, followed him and then beat him for no other apparent reason, I'd say it should be classified as crime based on sexual orientation.

Even an assault based on perceived sexual orientation would qualify.

I'm not opposed to Hate Crime laws, but I would make it somewhat difficult to prove it. Since intent is usually considered in charging people with crimes (i.e. aggravated assault vs. simple assault, First-degree murder vs. manslaughter), I have no ethical complainst against such statutes. Or statues, as the case may be.

[SlowwHand]

Not a threadjack. A comment.

Originally posted by monolith94
Or "A clockwork Orange"

Actually, I have seen this.
It, and Pink Floyd The Wall made me queasy.
The part with Sid shaving off his nipples, in particular.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Dissident
I'm sorry but straight guys get bashed all the time in assault too. Violence against men is still higher than violence against women.

I don't think many straight men are targeted for beatings because of their sexual orientation, however. Violence against men is higher because by large men are beating other men. Stupid hormones.

I'm not supporting gay bashing. I'm just saying it should be treated equally with other bashing of human beings.

The punishment should be the same for either case.

Should manslaughter and First-Degree murder get the same punishment?

[Shi Huangdi]

I admit there are still a few on the lunatic fringe who might do something like this, but attacks like this I think most people would condemn. There are still anti-black hate crimes but that doesn't meant we need a black olympics.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
I admit there are still a few on the lunatic fringe who might do something like this, but attacks like this I think most people would condemn.

I don't think these three were lunatics. There is still a tremendous amount of hostility towards homosexuals among people, especially in terms of urban youth, street gangs, etc.

Last year I was walking down my block and these three white kids, probably 7-8 years old, were racing each other down the block. One of them shouted out "Last one to the end is a ******!" And they all laughed gleefully.

Oh ho ho ho, ha ha ha! Such imps!

[Az]

I know what you're talking about, Boris. I always try to correct these people, saying it is wrong to say such things.

[Nubclear]

Isn't "gay" a deragatory word used by American teenagers?

"OMG, thats just gay."

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Isn't "gay" a deragatory word used by American teenagers?

"OMG, thats just gay."

Homosexuals were using "gay" as a self-descriptive long before it was ever used in such a fashion. That some idiots choose to use it as a derogatory term isn't reason to go and changing it...