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France and Germany are totally marginalized, their idiotic leadership has seen to it. Imagine, just ignoring the Iraqi army...sending in guys with baby blue helmets like they are morally bullet proof and have an absolute right to wander around the place. What can the world view of these leaders be? It just leaves me at a total loss. Were they drunk?
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They REFUSED to discuss their plan w/ Rumsfeld! Won't even tell him about it. Also, the French and Germans put the plan forward without even mentioning it to the US. -FOX news
Major slap in the face.Long time member @ Apolyton
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Lancer : do you think Rumsfeld is the only idiotic diplomat out there
We in Europe are as idiot, if not more, than you !
About the plan : I don't think it is as idiotic as it seems. Surely Saddam will hate seeing is country occupied, but he may hate the alternative (country scorched, and him killed) even more.
An occupying military will make it much harder for him to move his labs around, and declaring war to it would be extremely dangerous (UN soldiers are heavily armed, and you can bet the UN will go with full military potential there)
It is also a smart move in realopolitik : UN troops are composed of national troops, and Europe will take a large part in the ground forces. French and German troops will then have a significant role if a war should occur, and would get some of the spoils of war.
The US might find the plan acceptabel : it mostly pospones the war, but is much less costly for the American taxpayer (others participate in the dirty work)
The true question is whether Iraq will accept the plan. It might find it's a humiliating diktat (which it is), but it might also find this solution less humiliating than an already-lost war. I'm eager to hear the Iraqi reaction."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
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If you scare Kim, he's going to launch all his sh1t... mutually assured destruction... HELLO!!!??
But pro-war people don't bother to think ahead anyways
To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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I think this plan simply doesn´t work. It is also much too late to come up with something like this...BlahComment
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Ooooo
"Launch all his ****"
Has he been flinging his stuffing about the palace again?Long time member @ Apolyton
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Sh1t = his WMD...
To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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I agree with BeBro.
Here's Powell's response...
Last edited by DanS; February 9, 2003, 14:58.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Ahhh, now I get it. Thanks Sava.
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That is exactly the point. They want it to be by U.N., not the States. So they try to undermine the U.S. position and force them to act as part of the U.N. instead of as the only great power.So France and Germany support an invasion, just not by America
Sure, it's not like Russia and China support their position. Ooopsss... They do.France and Germany are totally marginalizedClash of Civilization team member
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nah the Americans don't support the plan, thus France & Germany are "totally marginalised"Comment
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Here's an op-ed that I assume lays out the French-German alternative...
As for undermining US plans, would a true ally do this? Are France and Germany trying to set themselves up as an alternative alliance?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Russia and China eh?
*Adds them to the list of countries that don't get Iraqi contracts*Long time member @ Apolyton
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Apparently Powell is a little ticked off that the frogs and krauts didn't even bother to tell him they were going to put a proposal forward. Wasn't it the axis of weasel who was whining last year that the U.S. shouldn't do anything without at least informing htem first?
I guess what is good for the goose isn't good for the gander.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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just another example of the same old story, repeating itself.
We are continually held to a double standard. WE have to endorse Kyoto, but the biggest polluters are exempt. We have to consult first, Europe does not.....patterns repeating.....::shakes head::
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