France, Germany present alternative to war

[Thorn]

Fine whoever invade Iraq an conquer Iraq (I don't give a **** about the little rat hole of a country), but please don't go after Korea next.... please for all of our lives. The only reason I care about the war in Iraq is because it can lead to war in Korea.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Thorn
Fine whoever invade Iraq an conquer Iraq (I don't give a **** about the little rat hole of a country), but please don't go after Korea next.... please for all of our lives. The only reason I care about the war in Iraq is because it can lead to war in Korea.

Don't be so angry. How about a hug?

[Dinner]

I contend that quickly stomping on Saddam will prove to Kim the west isn't one to be ****ed with. That my friend may very well me war is detered.

[Zulu Elephant]

I really dont see what ANYONE could have against this plan.
Essentially, it is a plan to give the UN completely unfettered access to Iraq to see if WMD do, in fact, exist.
I especially dont see how anyone who is pro-war could be against it - if Saddam wont allow the plan to be implemented, surely thats ANOTHER breach in that he is obstructing UN monitoring if his weapons.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

The real reason the US wants to invade is because it wants sweetheart deals for its oil companies. The real reason France doesn't want the US to invade is because it will lose its sweetheart deals with saddam.

[MOBIUS]

Geez, it seems fine to piss all over the US' plans for war. But then they come out with this hogwash, I really don't see Saddam bending over to take it up the backside like this...

The only bit that makes sense is the increasing of weapons inspectors.

[Demerzel]

Britain produces nearly 2 million barrels of oil a day, so we don't depend on going to war for our oil needs like the Americans and French

[Felch]

We produce something like four times that amount, but we've got such huge Cheneys that we like picking fights anyhoo.

[Demerzel]

you've also got 5 times the population, artifically low petrol prices and cars/industry that guzzles it.

[Gangerolf]

is it so hard to write "and"?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Demerzel
you've also got 5 times the population, artifically low petrol prices and cars/industry that guzzles it.

Hah, our petro is market priced. You folks are the ones who have artificially inflatied prices with outragous taxes. BTW 75% of our supply comes from North America (U.S., Canada, Mexico) and the remaining 25% is split up between the rest of the world. Plus even if we don't import another drop we have enough supply for one year already saved up.

I'd say we can kep driving our v-8s and weather the temporary price increases set off by the war.

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Zulu Elephant
I really dont see what ANYONE could have against this plan.
Essentially, it is a plan to give the UN completely unfettered access to Iraq to see if WMD do, in fact, exist.
I especially dont see how anyone who is pro-war could be against it - if Saddam wont allow the plan to be implemented, surely thats ANOTHER breach in that he is obstructing UN monitoring if his weapons.

It has nothing to do with being against the plan, it's that the plan is absolutely idiodic.

Hey, I've got another plan - we'll get the magic pink fairies of Venus to come down, lift Saddam up from his palace, and fly him into the sun, thereby averting any future conflict. How can you be against that?

[Demerzel]

yeah drive those fuel guzzling polluting cars baby 'cos oil is certainly a nice renewable & clean energy and in limitless supply.

btw wtf is a "block"?

[Adam Smith]

I think this is a reasonable alternative, especially if viewed as a work in process of negotiation, not a finished product.

Even the French have admitted that the Iraqis have ongoing WOMD, putting Iraq in violation of UN resolutions. (See de Villepin's statement that "Inspections have largely halted if not frozen WOMD programs.")

If the UN wants to be taken seriously, they need to come up with a serious alternative. Perhaps this can be it. Will Saddam accept it? I don't know. Will the UN actually enforce it? I hope so.

The only thing I found ridiculous about this plan, described in another article, was that the UN wanted Iraq to pass legislation banning production of WOMD on their soil.

[Bereta_Eder]

Un solution means the US won't do it virtually alone and thus have absolut control on the post war oil exploitation.

With the game France has played she will lose her colonial like disgraceful contract the UN signed which gives her cheap oil from Iraq.

In a post war Iraq where the US would have done the job, they'll tell France to go **** herself.

That's the only thing France wants. To have the US promise her that her current oil contracts with Iraq will remain unchanged.

But that's what the US WANTS to change for its own benefit.