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**Ben Kenobi** · January 31, 2003, 00:32

Speer's in Mingapulco.

We'll have to do without him.

**Dr Strangelove** · January 31, 2003, 00:46

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Which would mean that there are multiple Black races.

Now, how do you tell them apart using the standard method of determining race, i.e., looking at a person and being an ignorant muther******?

There is only one race, the human race. All else is BS.

Actually it means that they are an older stock. Currently we believe that all non-Africans originate from a single group of humans that left Africa for the Arabian peninsula about 80,000 years ago. The African stock that they left behind is at least twice as old.

**Ramo** · January 31, 2003, 00:47

There aren't any differentials in the selection pressure on intelligence, etc. of humans between different environments, hence there are no disparities between the mental capacities of different human populations. Studies that assert otherwise have faulty statistical techniques backing them up.

**Dr Strangelove** · January 31, 2003, 00:48

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
All people pretty much suck equally.

Disparing of obtaining the true socialist state are we?

**Berzerker** · January 31, 2003, 00:51

The odds against this alleged "equality" are immense. What criterion would you like to use? Intelligence? Physical strength? Cro-Magnon had superior intelligence, Neandertal had superior strength - Cro-Magnon survived, Neandertal didn't.

**Sava** · January 31, 2003, 00:56

Why are you people even bothering with this silly question? It's like asking "Are all humans equal?" No; of course not... every human being on this planet is unique and different. And so you're asking if collections of unique individuals differentiated mainly by melanin levels in the skin are equal? :sigh:

Imagine you have 6 billion different shaped, sized, and colored polygons. Now seperate those polygons according to their
color and ask if each of the groups is equal... MADNESS I TELL YOU!

carry on if you must

**Zero** · January 31, 2003, 01:35

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Which would mean that there are multiple Black races.

Now, how do you tell them apart using the standard method of determining race, i.e., looking at a person and being an ignorant muther******?

There is only one race, the human race. All else is BS.

Believe it or not, we share something like 99.78% genetic similarity. Difference of a white man and a black man is alot closer than compared to two gorilla neighboring populations. So based on genetic similarity, we could technically say there isnt enough difference to consider human beings to be more than one race. Although that insignificant percentage of difference results in enough difference we see in human 'races' to label them each as seperate category.

Race is a first step to a species being divided into two or more different species. Each race represents the same species with enough difference in genetic pool to take the step into becoming its own species, if the interbreeding does not occur. Human 'race' is nowhere close to dividing into seperate species.

**Zero** · January 31, 2003, 01:56

Originally posted by obiwan18
Part of the problem is the definition of race.

IIRC sickle cell anemia is a hereditary response to environmental exposure to malaria. Will sickle-cell vanish when malaria is eradicated?

Sickle cell anemia has to do with deformation of red blood cells. It has nothign to do with malaria and is not a response to the diseas. Organism cannot choose conciously to mutate on its own!Its a mutation that occured that has nothing to do with malaria. Its just that malaria cant infect red blood cells when red blood cells are deformed, which is why sickle celled anemics have the immunity.

Reasons why you see higher population of african americans having sickle cell anemia is because while the mutation by nature is harmful (deformed red blood ceel isnt beneficial... ask any sickle cell anemics), the enviornment where these people are, it is far better to be stricken with sickle cell anemia than be caught with malaria. Therefore natural selection favors population with sickle cell anemics than population with normal red blood cells.

If malaria didnt exist, in nature, it would be far more advantageous not to have sickle celled genetic trait, therefore nature promotes other population to grow, which is why you do not see many people with such genetic trait elsewhere.

In developed areas of human civilization, malaria is no longer the factor for natural selection, therefore such advantage disappears. Still, in civilized areas, you wont see someone with sickle celled traits not able to pass on his genes simply because he has this genetic mutation. I have never seen ones genetic trait for sickle cell being a factor for sexual selection. So no, sickled cell anemia wont disappear.

**Ben Kenobi** · January 31, 2003, 02:01

Thanks Calc for wording that better. I know organisms cannot choose to mutate.

**Zero** · January 31, 2003, 02:09

Thanks to BIO253 genetics class... The professor who lectured half in german was a crazy maniac with cruel sense of humor, but I did also manage to learn that we share approximately 50% genetic similarity with a banana.

And thats about all I remember from that class. I wanna keep it that way.

**Dis** · January 31, 2003, 04:47

I'm not touching this issue

So I'll just say yes, all races are equal in potential.

**aaglo** · January 31, 2003, 05:02

What all races? There is only one race of humans.

The concept of different races is a fling of the past now.

**mactbone** · January 31, 2003, 10:11

I'm just wondering about the Sino-Dontal trait that some people of Asian descent and some (older) Native Americans have.

Do other people get this ever? I first heard of it last semester in my Anthro class, prior to that I never knew that people could have front teeth that are "shovel-shaped". So, if anyone can get this, I would guess it wouldn't be a difference, but if people from other areas can't get this, then maybe there are some differences.

BTW, the way I understand genetics, your genes determine a range of possibilities that you can achieve - be it height, weight, intelligence - and that it is environment that determines what people end up being. Meaning everyone has a certain ceiling on their abilities, and a cellar - they won't exceed these ranges.

**Caligastia** · January 31, 2003, 10:14

Are all races equal?

In some ways, yes, in other ways, no. God loves everyone equally no matter what race they belong to, and that's all that really matters. Does it really matter if the temporary human body of different races are different? Not to me. I try to treat everyone with respect and dignity no matter what race they are from, and so should everyone else. I truly believe all humans on this planet to be literally my brothers and sisters.

If I convinced you beyond a shadow of a doubt that different races have different physical and mental attributes, would it really change the way you treat others? I'm willing to bet that with most people here it wouldn't, just as with any reasonable person it wouldn't. I think we can all agree that it's ridiculous to hate someone because of the way they are born, or make assumptions about anyone because of the race they were born into.

Az · January 31, 2003, 10:27

Thank you your majesty, for not hating inferior races.

" It's not their fault they were born stupid" -Caligastia.

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