Are all races equal?

[Ben Kenobi]

God loves us all equally, and we are equally important to him, but that does not make us physically or mentally equal. Unequal races etc is all part of God's plan. It teaches us to love others even if they are not on the same level as us.

-Caligastia

At the request of Japher, this is a threadsplit from the discussion regarding the benefits of spirituality.

Are there concrete, definable differences between the races?

I will argue no. People will have varying abilities, but across races there are no consistent differences.

(Poorly worded, but I think it will come out what I mean anyways.)

[Hydey]

what about swimming?

black peoples don't swim as well as others , they tend to sink.

and white man can't jump

[Az]

We can phentypically differentiate people, by skin colour, or so, but it is only for convenience. There are no boundries defined by any standard.

I will elaborate my point, after some sleep.

[Sandman]

It is ludicrous to suggest that skin tone and facial topography can have any biological effect on intelligence and stamina.

Edit: Yes, there ARE sociological effects.

[Japher]

You know your going to regret this... Never get Cali going on this it will never stop.

Are there concrete, definable differences between the races?

nothing is concrete. Yet, what is, is that they are different in that they are a different race.

I will argue no. People will have varying abilities, but across races there are no consistent differences.

That is not entirly true. Consistent differences? Africans are more prone to get sickle-cell anemia, Asians are more prone to having eye problems, White people are at a higher risk of generating skin cancern.

We may have all began from the same gene pool, but years of evolution have given noticable and definable differences based on climate, needs, and executions for obtaining these needs. As a result races are different, do you not notice that asians are generally shorter than the rest of the races, and africans are generally taller and have a denser muscular structure than other races?

These things are readily obvious, and lead for gross generalizations, but if you can't deduce from logical observations, then what do you deduce this from?

[chequita guevara]

All people pretty much suck equally.

[Bosh]

Consistent differences? Africans are more prone to get sickle-cell anemia

The problem with talking about an "African" race is that there's more genetic diversity AMONG black Africans of different ethnic groups than between, say, whites and asians.

[Ribannah]

Elves are definitely different though.

[Japher]

It is ludicrous to suggest that skin tone and facial topography can have any biological effect on intelligence and stamina.

I agree that skin tone and facial topography would have nothing to do with intelligence. What has to do with intelligence, or schooling, is that person's desire to become educated and to persue a higher intelligence. In our world today, wether we like it or not, races of certain types tend to lump themselves together. Thus, there is a general racism by all, which does not permit itself well to overcoming challenges that may hinder one's desire to learn.

Ergo, races, in general, do very in intelligence. Not because they are inherently dumber or smart, but because the societies they live in promote different aspects of being.

[Sandman]

That's why I specified biological effects, Japher.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Japher




That is not entirly true. Consistent differences? Africans are more prone to get sickle-cell anemia,

And more people of Mediterranean origin get thalassaemia- but there isn't a Mediterranean 'race'.

Some Jews get Tay Sachs- some don't.

'Recessive diseases such as Tay-Sachs often occur more frequently, though not exclusively, in a defined population. A person's chances of being a TSD carrier are significantly higher if he or she is of eastern European (Ashkenazi) Jewish descent. Approximately one in every 27 Jews in the United States is a carrier of the TSD gene. There is also a noticeable incidence of TSD in non-Jewish French Canadians living near the St. Lawrence River and in the Cajun community of Louisiana. By contrast, the carrier rate in the general population as well as in Jews of Sephardic origin is about one in 250.'

Using inherited disease as a 'race' marker won't work.

As for Caligastia's god and race nonsense- it isn't worth the thought.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Boshko

The problem with talking about an "African" race is that there's more genetic diversity AMONG black Africans of different ethnic groups than between, say, whites and asians.

Which would mean that there are multiple Black races.

Now, how do you tell them apart using the standard method of determining race, i.e., looking at a person and being an ignorant muther******?

There is only one race, the human race. All else is BS.

[Dauphin]

[obvious joke]Of course there are differences. The 100m sprint is hugely different to a 26 mile marathon.[/obvious joke]

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Sandman
It is ludicrous to suggest that skin tone and facial topography can have any biological effect on intelligence and stamina.

True. But place of origin and economic status definitely have effects on some aspects of people, and both place of origin and economic/social status are affected by race. (I'm talking about slavery and genocide affecting different races' economic status - artificial man-created differences, not innate ones.)

All in all, discrepancies in different races are all man-made or having to do with place of origin.

edited to add some stuff I meant to say but forgot to.

[Ben Kenobi]

Part of the problem is the definition of race.

Diseases such as thalassema affect certain parts of a race, but they do not affect the whole.

The same with sickle-cell anemia. You can be a black person without sickle-cell anemia, and you can have sickle-cell without being black.

IIRC sickle cell anemia is a hereditary response to environmental exposure to malaria. Will sickle-cell vanish when malaria is eradicated?