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In the European public opinion, it is considered obvious that Saddam Hussein isn't a threat, and that the war will only serve US's imperialistic interests, while spilling blood of Iraqis.
The media-brainwashing is rather oriented towards the oil interests here, rather than explaining how evil Saddam is, and why we should carpet-bomb Baghdad for the good of the Iraqis
Also, it is here clear that Bush always find new reasons and new evidences to justify a war, while he's simply playing Empire.
Europeans tend to dislike the sheer stupidity of the "Crusade" from the "Good Ones" against the "Axis of Evil". We have had enough religious bloodbaths in our history, and we don't want this nonsense to be used again.
Many Europeans are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, which doesn't raise the popularity of America, especially of American warmongering against Arabs.
And most Euros just don't like spilling blood, because we deeply know how much it hurts.
Edit : bolded. The fact that Saddam isn't considered as a threat here simply explains why the war has no support. All other arguments explain why the war has so many opponents.
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80% of the US populace didn't want involvement in WW1 or WW2 look what isolationism led to.
If the EU is truly wanting to be a world power it needs action, not internal bickering.
Truth is US is the only world power that can project its will in distant lands.
I take exception to those whose view is that the EU's sole purpose is to act as a block to the growing US hegomony. The US and the EU must act as partners full and equal in order to act in the common interests that they supposedly have. Those being the spread of democracy, human rights, etc.. Simply acting contrary for contrariness sake is the worst approach as the two sets of nations have more in common than opposition.
Best article I've read on US motivations for war. See here .
While self serving it also is what the US believes is the best interests for the world at large. The EU if truly dedicated to those ideals would subscribe to that philosophy.
Instead it becomes apparent that France is taking a stand for reasons of continued declaration that they are a world power and will not kowtow to US will and secondly for reasons of economic gain as their trade relationship with Iraq grows.
Germany chose the tact as it was politically expedient in election years to become anti-american in lightof the growing muslim population segment.
Blair's influence on GWB has been admirable, his attempts to get the US to break its unilateral rehtoric is commendable.
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DO you really think we're going to carpet bomb bagdad???
After 9/11 they kept saying "dont carpet bomb Kabul" We didnt carpet bomb Kabul. We did have b52's drop a bunch of bombs on some taliban positions and everyone said "SEE thier carpet bombing, just like we said"
Expect the same this time - no matter how good we do at minimiizing harm to civilians the usual gang will talk about the US atrocities, and will twist evidence to get there.
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I don't think you'll carpet-bomb Bagdad (notice the cute smiley), but I implemented some exaggeration the pro-peace here sometimes use.
However, I think the US army will not care of civilian losses during the battle of Bagdad if things become hard. For the generals, better have 1000 dead Iraqi civilians than 100 dead American soldiers (which is normal from their perspective). And the US army will also not care if human shields are used to protect military buildings.
In the end, the war will kill tens of thousands. Curiously enough, Europeans aren't happy about this.
"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis
As many here in the US believe, Saddam is a threat to threat to both the US and Israel, and if he were to take the entire ME, which he can if we withdraw, to Europe. He is a threat to Israel because of his WoMD and because he actively supports terrorism there. He is a treat to the US because he actively supports terrorists in general and because he has al Qaida connections.
Besides, we cannot maintain the no-fly zones and sanctions forever, can we? If we withdraw now, the Shi'ites and Kurds will be massacred. How many time should we betray them?
I don't understand the European's focus American control of Iraq's oil. We won't control it. Any new government the Iraqi's establish will control it.
But clearly oil is a problem. In the hands of a nuclear Iraq, Saddam could again equip a vast army with modern weapons, including nuclear, chemical and bio, that could conquer far and wide.
Originally posted by Spiffor
I don't think you'll carpet-bomb Bagdad (notice the cute smiley), but I implemented some exaggeration the pro-peace here sometimes use.
However, I think the US army will not care of civilian losses during the battle of Bagdad if things become hard. For the generals, better have 1000 dead Iraqi civilians than 100 dead American soldiers (which is normal from their perspective). And the US army will also not care if human shields are used to protect military buildings.
In the end, the war will kill tens of thousands. Curiously enough, Europeans aren't happy about this.
I wont be happy with one civilian death during the war myself. Nor am i happy with the deaths of civilians at the hands of Saddam Hussein.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
As many here in the US believe, Saddam is a threat to both the US and Israel, and if he were to take the entire ME, which he can if we withdraw, to Europe. He is a threat to Israel because of his WoMD and because he actively supports terrorism there. He is a treat to the US because he actively supports terrorists in general and because he has al Qaida connections.
Besides, we cannot maintain the no-fly zones and sanctions forever, can we? If we withdraw now, the Shi'ites and Kurds will be massacred. How many time should we betray them?
I don't understand the European's focus American control of Iraq's oil. We won't control it. Any new government the Iraqi's establish will control it.
But clearly oil is a problem. In the hands of a nuclear Iraq, Saddam could again equip a vast army with modern weapons, including nuclear, chemical and bio, that could conquer far and wide.
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter
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