What is Southern Culture?

[Tripledoc]

Could somone define the geographical boundaries of suothern culture more precisely. For instance states such as Kentucky, Texas, Florida and Louisiana seem to have distinct cultures of their own.
So the Southern culture must be centred in the states: Virginia, the Carolinas, Georgia, Alabama, Missisippi, and Tennessee.
Maybe these states were the ones which were hardest hit by the civil war in terms of destruction of infrastructure and social upheaval. The subsequent failed reconstruction effort had a continued influence on the worldview of the citizens there.
Correct me if I am wrong.

[SlowwHand]

Texas is unique in that they joined the Union as a Republic, not a territory.

Your breakdown is good enough.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Honestly, Imran, only someone with no perspective can take fashion advice and turn it into the biggest case of discrimination in the history of the Republic.

I dunno, telling women that they can't wear pantsuits was HIGHLY offensive to the women in my section (as well as my g/f). Plenty of them said they wouldn't want a job in a company that wouldn't allow them to wear pantsuits and only want to see them in skirts.

And yeah, I always consider it 'fashion advice' when people say don't wear something, which was made for that specific affair, because some people might be offended.

It is nice to impart your feelings for their, John .

Sorry to disabuse you of your belief that the South is perfect .

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Texas is unique in that they joined the Union as a Republic, not a territory.

That was before the Civil War or am I wrong?
During the civil war did Union troops conquer Texas or did Texas surrender?

[JohnT]

"I dunno, telling women that they can't wear pantsuits was HIGHLY offensive to the women in my section (as well as my g/f). Plenty of them said they wouldn't want a job in a company that wouldn't allow them to wear pantsuits and only want to see them in skirts."

Well, they need to grow up and get over it. Everybody has standards, and if a potential employee doesn't want to deal with them, then they shouldn't bother to apply. That's life in the big-leagues and is the sort of thing one has to adjust to if you want to stay in the bigs.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yeah, the traditionalists have standards, and seemingly those standards are to keep women down. Just about everyone that has come down here from the North finds it striking the amount of BS women have to put up with down here.

When you have firms that only have like 2 women partners and both are in Family Law (compared to about 200 men partners), it's not really a business environment that women are going to feel very comfortable in. Some firms have serious problems with underrepresentment of women.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Texas is unique in that they joined the Union as a Republic, not a territory.

Your breakdown is good enough.

Tisk, tisk. May I point out the Bear Flag Republic of my own dear state of California? Just because the Californians were still fighting their succesionist war against Mexico doesn't mean independence wasn't declared and a consitution drawn up. The revolutionaries even controlled half the state before the U.S. Army showed up to kick the Mexican's out.

[Drake Tungsten]

Yeah, the traditionalists have standards, and seemingly those standards are to keep women down.

Preferring that women wear skirts instead of pant suits is "keeping them down"?

Come to think of it, companies all over are oppressing me by preferring I wear a suit to work. I think I'll start a protest...

[SlowwHand]

Texas was the last state to surrender in the war.
Just like the Emancipation Proclamation that spawned Juneteenth here, word was extremely late arriving here that the war was over.
Though there were divisions formed in Texas and sent east, more of the involvement was in supplies.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Preferring that women wear skirts instead of pant suits is "keeping them down"?

Not hiring women because they wear pantsuits to interviews instead of skirts is 'keeping them down'. How would you like it if you were told that a woman interviewer wouldn't not hire you unless you wore a tight, short sleeved dress shirt, would you really feel comfortable?

How is a pantsuit any less dressy than a suit? It isn't. But it keeps them from seeing the womens' legs and reminds them they aren't the only ones wearing the pants in the company.

[Ramo]

Sweet potatoes, black eyed peas, liver and onions, BBQ, blues, rock n' roll, etc.

[Drake Tungsten]

How would you like it if you were told that a woman interviewer wouldn't not hire you unless you wore a tight, short sleeved dress shirt, would you really feel comfortable?

I would like that very much, actually.

Sorry, but the porno-like scenario you provided distracted me for a second, so much so that I almost missed your bad analogy. Since when did skirts become the equivalent of a tight dress shirt? A mini-skirt is the natural equivalent and I don't think anyone's requring female applicants to wear those.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
That was before the Civil War or am I wrong?
During the civil war did Union troops conquer Texas or did Texas surrender?

If memory serves 1832 was the beginning of the war of Texas independence. They remained independent until 1845 and six months after that the Mexican-American war began largely as a result of Texas becoming an American state.

By late 1865 Texas was one of the few parts of the confederacy not yet reoccupied by the union. With the rest of the south lost they just figured the gig was up and throw in the towel.

[Ramo]

Texas declared indpendence at in '35 actually. Right after Santa Anna's coup (against his own government, interestingly enough).

[Imran Siddiqui]

Sorry, but the porno-like scenario you provided distracted me for a second. I almost missed your bad analogy. Since when did skirts become the equivalent of a tight dress shirt? A mini-skirt is the natural equivalent and I don't think anyone's requring female applicants to wear those.

Skirts themselves are simply designed to show skin. I think if you were to mandate anything, it should be pant suits so that both men and women are covered. Even with a tight dress shirt you hardly show any skin.

But (fortunetly) things are changing I've been hearing. As soon as those old fogey 'good ole boys' die off maybe things will get progressive .

Maybe even more woman Senators (which woefully there are too little of all around the country)!