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  • #436
    Orange- remember I'm a pacifist. My church allows non-combat service during times of conscription, but that's about it. I call that a pretty strict interpretation of thou shalt not kill.

    As for other denominations, they argue against your interpretation by looking at the Hebrew. There are two different Hebrew words, one for murder and one to kill. The commandment in question uses the hebrew word for murder and not for killing.

    This difference is why I chose the question I did.
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    • #437
      obiwan - I was directing it at Floyd, not you

      DinoDoc - interesting link. I'm looking for the hebrew now.
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      • #438
        wait just a minute!!

        http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Shokel/001102_ThouShaltNotMurder.html
        You're trusting a Canadian???
        "Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
        You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez

        "I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui

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        • #439


          I can't read hebrew, but that doesn't look like "ratsah" or "harag" to me. Maybe Siro can help...

          Exodus 20:13
          .çöøú àì
          "Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
          You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez

          "I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui

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          • #440
            Why not- Canadians do study the bible from time to time
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            • #441
              DinoDoc regards your nation as a US backwater, a territory in denial if you will
              "Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
              You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez

              "I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui

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              • #442
                [threadjack]

                New topic for a thread.

                "Canada says BRING IT"

                [/threadjack]
                Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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                • #443
                  [threadjack]

                  Canada says:

                  BRING IT

                  You guys can't even do anything against N.Korea.
                  What makes you think you can invade Canada?

                  Never been done successfully.

                  [/threadjack]
                  Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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                  • #444
                    Some things have always bothered me about libertarian ideas...

                    The replacing of tax-funded city police with private security firms makes no sense to me, mainly because it destroys the main purposes of police forces. Firstly, police exist as a means of preventing crime. Cops on patrol can act as a deterrent or at least stop crimes in progress. Furthermore, they arrive when called to catch criminals. Private security companies will be unable to serve in these roles in large, poorer areas, specifically cities. Who will pay for urban security forces? Individuals will not...

                    And what about public defenders? Will they cease to exist?

                    It seems to me that the libertarian agenda would ruin the cities... crime would sky-rocket and those VERY few suspects who are caught may very well be innocent but have no lawyer at all to defend them.

                    Also, as an aside... what about libraries? They would be privatized but I don't like the idea of poor people who want to learn and be educated not being able to read books...
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                    • #445
                      Orange,

                      Dino already sufficiently answered your point WRT the Bible. I can add nothing further to that line of questioning.
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                      • #446
                        fair enough, but I'm still asking Siro for a translation
                        "Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
                        You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez

                        "I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui

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                        • #447
                          It seems to me that the libertarian agenda would ruin the cities...
                          Oh, but who actually wants to live in the city? Admit it, everyone knows the suburbs are much better
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                          • #448
                            Originally posted by David Floyd




                            As long as the government is not imposing restrictions on private casinos, and as long as their casinos are not being funded, even initially, by taxes, then I see no problem with them, at least not yet. Someone might convince me I'm wrong, but you're not going to.
                            This is another example of your lack of thought.

                            1. What you are saying could be extended to any industry. Chemical plants, autos, whatever. What makes you think government should start businesses? Is that a role for government?

                            2. Where will the government raise money to finance its casinos?

                            3. How will the government be competetive with private industry casinos?

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                            • #449
                              #2 isn't too hard to figure out...investments and loans...same way any private casino could start up
                              "Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
                              You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez

                              "I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui

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                              • #450
                                Originally posted by orange
                                #2 isn't too hard to figure out...investments and loans...same way any private casino could start up
                                Why would anyone invest in a government run casino? Is it a good risk? Will it operate well? Look at the way a typical government beareau operates. Marvel of efficiency? Lots of business sense? no. So why postulate that they will be able to operate a business competetively and get finacing for it.

                                Don't make me get all Jacky Chan on you and bring in Roland and Sten to discuss raising capital!

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