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Well said Garlic. 
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Wow, very good question!
CapitaGarlic, so .. when computer science takes on to the next leve and AI is getting more impressive.. would you say they have a soul? Let's say we build a robot with great AI, it's able to learn, able to reflect itself with the other world.. they know what they are, they know what humans are, and have knowledge about their differencies. Everything has been programmed... and they'd be able to learn too, and because of few bugs, they'd make some mistakes too. Would you consider this thing has a soul? What makes it different from clone? We can slap some living tissue to it also.In da butt.
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A clone is a duplicate of something that already has a soul...so naturally it has a soul too.
As for AI having soul, it depends on your definition. If the AI is somehow sentient, it may have a soul..."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Being a living being, a clone definitely has a soul. Not the same soul as the template obviously, but it definitely has one."Corporation, n, An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility." -- Ambrose Bierce
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The ability to learn and make mistakes is one thing. To be truly aware of one's surroundings, however...
If, sometime in the future, and AI was developed that was truly an independent intelligence, that could learn, see, hear, interact, make mistakes, but most importantly feel, to be able to know what is going on, and to know of it's own existance, then perhaps. If it had true emotions, and made real judgements, instead of something pre-programmed, then it just might. If an AI with those capabilities is created, it could just as easliy be said that it was born. If two were created, the same thing would happen, in that they would develop differently and become seperate, individual entities.
Then there's the 'it can't have a soul because it's a machine and isn't alive' argument. Perhaps true as well, but what if by this time in science (hooray for the future) it's possible to remove someone's brain and replace it in an artificial body, with all of the same capabilities sans the weakness and expiration date? Then the person (or their remains) would be no different from a true AI, only their main processing unit would be a bit softer.Comment
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I would agree.Originally posted by Sava
A clone is just like any other human being, it's just grown as a copy of one. It will grow up with its own unique experiences. It's just like an identical twin. Of course it has a soul. I'm sick of these jesus freaks saying crap like, "God only gives souls to natural birth children... yadda yadda"
However, not all Jesus fr33ks
say crap, and more precisely crap like that. Some of us actually have brains, ya know. 
Who am I kidding, I don't have a brain
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Yes, you have a thread on clones. Mine was created first.Comment
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clones even though would have the exact dna would not be carbon copies except in the sence that identical twins are alike.... but still not alike.
and new babies like clones and twins would each have their own soul or spirit....
now another question ,if you believe in souls, is when does it enters the body...is it at conception or birth?
and in the clone case.... what is birth?
ahh i see above that another says the same thing...
too late with the thought.....lol"If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun." -Katherine HepburnComment
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Switch: I classify "jesus freaks" as people who disagree with logical, obvious things... not all Christians are jesus freaks BTW...
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Everybody, even clones, have a consciousness, that's all we have... A soul, depends on what it is (if you mean it in a christian way or so, then I at least don't have a soul
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There is no such thing as soul, so clones can't possess it. That's my opinion.
If I'd generally accept the concept of "soul", clones would definitely have one. Clones are nothing different than real twins, just that they aren't born at the same time. They're human and no golems, so they'd possess a soul."The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
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Then you have to define 'sentient'.Originally posted by Asher
A clone is a duplicate of something that already has a soul...so naturally it has a soul too.
As for AI having soul, it depends on your definition. If the AI is somehow sentient, it may have a soul...
Clones would be as likely to have souls as the rest of us.The true nature of a man is shown by what he would do if he knew he would never be found out.Comment
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Trajanus- in a Christian sense you do have a soul. The question is whether you believe this or not.
As for clones having a soul, I just have one question for Capitan Garlic, sort of on the lines of Boann's question- when does a person become ensouled? I don't think anyone has touched on this yet. Is a person ensouled when they become a person, or is this an independent procedure?
I don't know much about this at all.
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