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  • Originally posted by chegitz guevara


    That's not very libertarian of you. If I steal something from your father, and hold on to it 'till he dies, I don't have a legitmate claim to it, you do, at least in capitalist property relations.
    If you really feel that way then I guess you can give your house to the next native American you see...
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    • If you really feel that way then I guess you can give your house to the next native American you see...
      For some odd reason, I don't think che is a capitalist.

      I do feel however, that anyone born in refugee camps should have no "re-claim" of their forefather's land.
      Right of return has to do with free immigration to Israel for the Palestinians who fled the country, not land re-distribution.
      Last edited by Ramo; November 20, 2002, 23:45.
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      • Right of return has to do with free immigration to Israel for the Palestinians who fled the country, not land re-distribution.
        I am aware of this, but there are many palestinians who believe Israel should be destroyed because it stole their father's land. And I think these people are not justified in their struggle.

        I do believe in the RoR, though.
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        • Originally posted by Guardian


          Not for the nazis, but I would fight to defend my home and my people, yes.

          You wouldn't see me rounding up jews or anything like that, but shooting at the allied bombers when they came to destroy whole cities and everyone in them? Yes, definitely. No question about it.
          Self-defense is one thing--would you join the military wilfully to be a part of occupations you found morally objectionable?
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          • Explosion in a bus in Jerusalem. Tens of casualties.
            "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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            • There a concept in the law called "adverse possession." It means the law recognizes good title acquired by force. Depending of the jurisdiction, the amount of time one has to hold the land is between 5 and 20 years. If the owner has not evicted the adverse possessor by that time, the one in possession acquires good title even against the rightful owner.

              There are exceptions, of course. But the whole concept valid. It should be applied to international law as well.
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              • Eli, I see nothing in the news about any explosion in Jerusalem. Ned
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                • Originally posted by NeOmega
                  Do you know the first thing a D. I. says to his recruits?
                  "On behalf of the commanding general, Welcome to the Island. From now on the first and last words out of your mouth will be Sir. Do you understand?"

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                  • ????

                    ok so it's something like "get your toes on the line, now, move... blah blah blah"

                    Point being, he/she always explains to the recruit that they are now Property of the U.S. Government.

                    Ned made a statement akin to "and they certainly are no-ones property."
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                    • Originally posted by Boris Godunov

                      Self-defense is one thing--would you join the military wilfully to be a part of occupations you found morally objectionable?

                      Probably not.
                      "Politics is to say you are going to do one thing while you're actually planning to do someting else - and then you do neither."
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                      • Originally posted by Ned
                        Eli, I see nothing in the news about any explosion in Jerusalem. Ned
                        Better check again...

                        It supposedly happened just a few minutes before Eli posted it. Was on the morning news up here. At first they said at least 3 people were killed, now they're saying minimum 11 killed and 40 wounded.
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                        • hi ,

                          "occupation" , occupation of what , .....

                          its not an occupation , its a liberation !


                          in 1967 many people greeted us as liberators , and many still believe that today

                          but then again , outside involment that wants to listen to some extremists who are not even born there , but come from as far as the Eufraat , .......

                          have a nice day
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                          • panag, if what you say is true, conduct a plebicite. Ask everyong, Israeli and Palestinian. whether the Arabs of the West Bank and Gaza should become Israeli citizens, become citizens of a independent Palestinian state, or return to Jordan and/or Egypt as the case may be.
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                            • Originally posted by Ned
                              panag, if what you say is true, conduct a plebicite. Ask everyong, Israeli and Palestinian. whether the Arabs of the West Bank and Gaza should become Israeli citizens, become citizens of a independent Palestinian state, or return to Jordan and/or Egypt as the case may be.
                              hi ,

                              return to jordan or egypt , never , they occupied those places and did nothing there , they should stay in there countries , place enough there , ....

                              as for the rest , well everytime some-one wants to pass a poll yasser and his bunch dont want , ....

                              have a nice day
                              - RES NON VERBA - DE OPRESSO LIBER - VERITAS ET LIBERTAS - O TOLMON NIKA - SINE PARI - VIGLIA PRETIUM LIBERTAS - SI VIS PACEM , PARA BELLUM -
                              - LEGIO PATRIA NOSTRA - one shot , one kill - freedom exists only in a book - everything you always wanted to know about special forces - everything you always wanted to know about Israel - what Dabur does in his free time , ... - in french - “Become an anti-Semitic teacher for 5 Euro only.”
                              WHY DOES ISRAEL NEED A SECURITY FENCE --- join in an exceptional demo game > join here forum is now open ! - the new civ Conquest screenshots > go see them UPDATED 07.11.2003 ISRAEL > crisis or challenge ?

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