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    Say "NO!" to the Occupation!

    Hello... Lurker #5392 here. Not entirely a lurker. Anyway, to the point.
    Today, I have finally decided to say No to the Draft. I will not enlist in the ranks of the IDF. I do not wish to contribute to what amounts to state terrorism and I do not wish to pass the initiation into a militarist, fascist society. I will also probably emigrate within a year or so, first to my father in the US and then, Gods willing (and if I'll still want to), to the UK.

    Just wanted to let y'all know (and I guess my evil instincts to start another ME-Thread clone )

    ~Mark.
    Brought to you by Firelad, AKA King of the Fairies
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    A big step. I'm sure it took much soul searching.

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    • #3
      Sirotnikov is already aiming at you
      I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

      Asher on molly bloom

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      • #4
        Say no to the occupation!
        I agree! The Muslims have been occupying Egypt for far too long! Long live the God-King!

        Wait, what are we talking about again?
        Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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        • #5
          Well if that's how you feel........ Congrats on standing up for what you believe in.
          "I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer

          "I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - Slowwhand

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          • #6
            This one will lead to at least one banning, I predict....

            Well, do wahtever you feel is right.
            If you don't like reality, change it! me
            "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
            "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
            "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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            • #7
              Congratulations for being the first Israeli i've ever seen writing that they dislike the way the Palestinians are threated.
              "The meaning of war is not to die for your country, but making your enemies die for their..."

              Staff member at RoN Empire

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Viking Berserk
                Congratulations for being the first Israeli i've ever seen writing that they dislike the way the Palestinians are threated.
                Yay
                There are plenty tho. A good part of those who act on it sit in jails. Or at least have sat in jail for a while for it.

                Shi: Thank you. In a society such as we have here, it's the most difficult part. Something that took a long, long time... It's amazing how powerful social pressure and indoctrination (I won't say brainwashing because that includes locking someone up in a closet IIRC...) can be.

                Edit: By the way, if I don't manage to dodge it, I will be drafted somewhen after July... I don't have the date yet.
                Question: Is it, in your opinion, moral or whatever (you know what I mean) for me to dodge the draft or go to the US in order to escape the prison sentence that is a consequence of disobeying the draft (assuming that you do not consider not being in the Army moral)?
                Last edited by Firelad; November 16, 2002, 19:35.
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                • #9
                  At first I thought he was talking about something else. Then I read the thread. Then I posted this thinly veiled .
                  John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Firelad
                    Question: Is it, in your opinion, moral or whatever (you know what I mean) for me to dodge the draft or go to the US in order to escape the prison sentence that is a consequence of disobeying the draft (assuming that you do not consider not being in the Army moral)?
                    It depends on a lot of factors, IMO.

                    How long have you been in Israel, and how did you get there?

                    How much have you (based on location, what not) been a beneficiary of the policies you oppose?

                    What is/will be your future attachment to the state of Israel?

                    Is your objection truly based on a fundamental personal principle that you will act on consistently, or simply a desire to avoid inconvenience and discomfort, or outright cowardice? (not challenging you, just it's a criteria IMO that you have to honestly answer for yourself)

                    Are there legal forms of what in the US is referred to as "conscientious objector" status? Alternate forms of national service?

                    By either dodging the draft, or doing prison time and then remaining in Israel, what would your goals be in either case?

                    Is your opposition to military service in any form (i.e. complete and absolute pacifism a la Gandhi), or is it to specific policies/acts of the IDF or Israeli government?

                    I think the morality, etc. depends on your answers to those questions.
                    When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."

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                    • #11
                      If you are opposed to what your government does it is your duty to not enlist in the army.

                      However you are young so your ideas are not 100% fixed. Then again who's are?

                      First ask yourself if you want to dodge the draft because you indeed disagree with your government's actions or if you are using this as an excuse not to go to the army because of other reasons (you are afraid, you don't want to waste time, etc etc).

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                      • #12
                        Thank goodness Spain got rid of the draft because I would got enlisted... I dunno what we would fight against... Morocco I guess!
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #13
                          Good god, someone is going to go berzerk when he sees this. First it was muxec with his anti-israeli-school-propaganda thread and now a draft dodger!

                          Do what you feel is right lad. I support your cause.

                          Btw, may I ask you something? Is Haifa the only place in Israel where threy paly civ? There are a bunch of Israelis in Apolyton and all are from Haifa.
                          "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
                          George Orwell

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                          • #14
                            Given the current climate you have made a very brave decision . Are there many young people with your views over there?
                            Cheese eating surrender monkees - Chris 62

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Firelad
                              Question: Is it, in your opinion, moral or whatever (you know what I mean) for me to dodge the draft or go to the US in order to escape the prison sentence that is a consequence of disobeying the draft (assuming that you do not consider not being in the Army moral)?
                              Yes. You have a right to your life. You have the right to decide which causes are just enough for you to put your life on the line.
                              If playground rules don't apply, this is anarchy! -Kelso

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