Racial controversy

[Ramo]

I've just explained the proof. Anthropology disagrees with racism.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Ramo


No racist studies make it into peer-reviewed academic journals.

Sure they do. A simple search on Ebsco or Lexis Nexis will turn up plenty.

Again, there are no concievable differences in selection pressures on the various traits to which you refer (intelligence, agressiveness, etc.), and in similar environments, there are often vast differences in the perceptions of these traits on the people. Scientifically, your claim is pure and utter bull****. Furthermore, all statistical study racists have used to "demonstrate" their points are tainted with idiotic statistical techniques (i.e. The Bell Curve)

Thats hardly proof that races are equal.

[Ramo]

Sure they do. A simple search on Ebsco or Lexis Nexis will turn up plenty.

"Lexis/Nexis Academic provides access to a wide range of news, business, legal, and reference information. This database includes full-text New York Times from June 1980 to the present."

Don't see anything about Peer-reviewed academic journals. News publications aren't academic journals.

As for Ebsco, when I searched for "racial differences," all I could find were studies accounting for the "racial differences" through purely rational reasons, such as wealth disparities and discrimination.

Thats hardly proof that races are equal.

Sure it is. It's about as good a disproof as anyone'll find. Anthropology has refuted your claim fairly conclusively. Unless our understanding of evolutionary biology is fundamentally wrong, your claim is almost certainly wrong.

[tinyp3nis]

Googled some.
Couldn't find proof or even any studies.
Found this: American Anthropology

http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/race.htm

They are conserned.
Many links found with google had the word "Taboo" in them.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by MikeH
Hey, don't bring religion into it. Jesus had both his hands equally nailed to the cross you know!

That's a complete lie propagated by the evil leftist that control the world. Only his right hand was nailed to the cross. His left hand was tied because the evil leftists only wanted to hurt the right.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Caligastia
How has "racial inequality" been "disproven"? To do that you would have to prove that all races are equal - something that has not been done.

Have you been able to establish that there are sub-groups of the species Homo Sapiens Sapiens that are called "races" with clearly delineated ranges of physical and mental attributes? From there, is it possible to clearly tell some sub-groups are superior to others?

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Tingkai


That's a complete lie propagated by the evil leftist that control the world. Only his right hand was nailed to the cross. His left hand was tied because the evil leftists only wanted to hurt the right.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by tinyp3nis
http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/race.htm

Have you learned anything from this association of scientists?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Tingkai


That's a complete lie propagated by the evil leftist that control the world. Only his right hand was nailed to the cross. His left hand was tied because the evil leftists only wanted to hurt the right.

Hehe, it's actually lie because his hands wouldn't have been nailed at all, it would have been his wrists...

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Have you been able to establish that there are sub-groups of the species Homo Sapiens Sapiens that are called "races"?

There are no races...right

Still, are you prepared to apply this line of reasoning with any degree of consistency? If so, then the next time blacks claim they deserve compensation for past injustices, you can enlighten them by saying "What nonsense! When are you are people going to understand that blacks do not exist?".

Can I now look forward to seeing you prove your intellectual integrity by applying your "race does not exist" theory to all human groups who make claims to collective identity?

[TheStinger]

How do you explain brothers or sisters who are different colours being born to the same parents. Are they different races.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by TheStinger
How do you explain brothers or sisters who are different colours being born to the same parents. Are they different races.

Will the black one get the compensation or the white one botn, none or just one of them and which one will it be

[gsmoove23]

Caligastia, you are not so stupid to believe that anyone here is saying that the idea of race is simply a figment of our imagination and I'm sure your just having fun with us, but I'll point out if it wasn't obvious, the arguments here are refuting the fallacies of eugenics and the idea of "scientifically" categorizing people, based on superficial traits, such as skin colour, facial bone structure, etc... and the rather idiotic, IMO, and simplistic conclusion that these traits must be linked to measurable differences in intelligence and behaviour.

The cultural idea of race is very real but mainly due to shared experience in racial politics. As has been pointed out here, racial categories and views on race differ significantly across the world. Certainly a black man from Detroit would be thought of as strange if he went to Nigeria and started calling everyone brother. Most blacks in America would be called mulato or mixed race in Brazil. The category is cultural and psychological as opposed to biological. But you knew thats what we meant didn't you.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by gsmoove23
Caligastia, you are not so stupid to believe that anyone here is saying that the idea of race is simply a figment of our imagination and I'm sure your just having fun with us, but I'll point out if it wasn't obvious, the arguments here are refuting the fallacies of eugenics and the idea of "scientifically" categorizing people, based on superficial traits, such as skin colour, facial bone structure, etc... and the rather idiotic, IMO, and simplistic conclusion that these traits must be linked to measurable differences in intelligence and behaviour.

The cultural idea of race is very real but mainly due to shared experience in racial politics. As has been pointed out here, racial categories and views on race differ significantly across the world. Certainly a black man from Detroit would be thought of as strange if he went to Nigeria and started calling everyone brother. Most blacks in America would be called mulato or mixed race in Brazil. The category is cultural and psychological as opposed to biological. But you knew thats what we meant didn't you.

Anyone saying "there is no such thing as race" (the comment I was responding to) IS implying that race is a figment of other people's imagination, in the same way that someone saying "there is no such thing as the Man in the Moon" is implying that the Man in the Moon is a figment of other people's imagination.

No, of course, I don't believe that anyone really BELIEVES that races do not exist. I just seek to point out that they are stating something that they do not really believe themselves.

Yes, of course, there is a wide variety of ways of categorizing racial groups and sub-groups, and in different cultures this may be done differently, as you point out. But this cannot be taken as some kind of "proof" that races/sub-species/distinguishable human populations (call them what you will) do not exist, or that it is meaningless to categorize them. Different cultures categorize many things in different ways, such as the colours, for example (two objects referred to as "orange" and "red" respectively in one culture may both be called "red" in another, and so on). But that does not mean, of course, that colours do not exist, or that attempts to categorize them are meaningless.

I see nothing "idiotic" about the study of differences in mental and behavioural characteristics among races. If human populations have lived apart long enough to develop a whole host of physical differences, they have certainly lived apart long enough to develop different mental and behavioural traits. This happens with other animals, and there is no reason to think it would not happen with human beings.

It is the insistence on the "equality of the races" which is scientifically groundless, and akin to a religious belief, not the study of racial differences.

I'll grant you there may be many racial myths floating around in the popular imagination, and some studies of racial differences purporting to be scientific may be imprecise or seriously flawed (as is the case with other fields of scientific study). But I have yet to see any convincing evidence for the idea that there are no differences between races beyond superficial physical variations.

The fact that some countries promoting a multiracial society have gone so far as to outlaw any opposition to this idea of "racial equality" merely underlines its weakness. Since when has the truth needed "laws" to protect it?

[Lars-E]

What is your issue with race Caligastia? I've seen plenty comments from you in different threads. Aren't you a sort of a new age Urantia guy? That stereotype would say "we're all equal" etc.