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**Drake Tungsten** · October 28, 2002, 02:24

How many of those winners in basketball are from major conferences, JohnT?

**Ming** · October 28, 2002, 02:29

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Ming, the whining is what makes college football great...

Well yeah... whining is fun and just human nature... but it doesn't make college football great. Even ignoring the Bowling Greens for now... there are some teams from major conferences this year who could go undefeated and not get a crack at the championship... and that goes beyond whining... that's just not fair.

**JohnT** · October 28, 2002, 02:30

Louisville was an independent at the time, so except for them, they all were.

Oops. UNLV isn't from a major conference either - the Mountain West Conference.

**DanS** · October 28, 2002, 02:32

"You would be the first to whine how unfair it is..."

You bet I would. But I would also be wrong.

"All they are proving is that they can beat the teams that they have played."

Yes. And all we're doing is measuring the quality of that proof.

**JohnT** · October 28, 2002, 02:32

G'night gentlemen.

**Drake Tungsten** · October 28, 2002, 02:36

Oops. UNLV isn't from a major conference either - the Mountain West Conference.

They were still in the WAC back when they won their titles. Still weren't part of a major conference, though. 2 out of 20...

**JohnT** · October 28, 2002, 02:38

As opposed to 0 out of 60 for the Football championships?

**Ming** · October 28, 2002, 02:42

Originally posted by DanS
You bet I would. But I would also be wrong.

No, you wouldn't be wrong... you would have every right to whine, because if that does happen, ND would have been screwed.

Yes. And all we're doing is measuring the quality of that proof.

What is being done now is basically assumptions and guesses...

The best way to "measure the quality" is to have the teams play

Then we will have a true champion.

No other sport let's opinion makers determine their champion... it's really kind of sad that College Football does just that.

Sure, the same system we have now, or one similar to it, would have to be used to determine which 8 teams would play. But if they had an 8 team playoff, the odds are far better that all the teams that deserved a chance would get just that... a chance.

**Drake Tungsten** · October 28, 2002, 02:52

As opposed to 0 out of 60 for the Football championships?

Notre Dame isn't in a conference, so there's a few right there...

**Drake Tungsten** · October 28, 2002, 02:54

Sure, the same system we have now, or one similar to it, would have to be used to determine which 8 teams would play. But if they had an 8 team playoff, the odds are far better that all the teams that deserved a chance would get just that... a chance.

I guess you don't find the prospect of a two or even three loss team winning the national title to be as distasteful as I do...

**Ming** · October 28, 2002, 03:03

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I guess you don't find the prospect of a two or even three loss team winning the national title to be as distasteful as I do...

If the system allows a team in that has two or three losses in, then it's the wrong system.

Maybe the system should be that you can only have one loss to qualify... and if there aren't enough teams to fill the field of eight, so be it.

I have less problem with a team with one loss winning than I do with having a team that doesn't lose a game not have a chance.

And yes... I too would find the prospect of a team with two or three losses winning the championship distasteful... unless ALL the teams that year had two or three losses

**Drake Tungsten** · October 28, 2002, 03:08

If the system allows a team in that has two or three losses in, then it's the wrong system.

You're saying that you wouldn't have let Colorado in last year, even though they were the Big 12 champs?

Let's face facts. If you have an eight team tourney, some two loss teams are going to get in. One of them may even win the national title one day. So much for the importance of the regular season...

**Ming** · October 28, 2002, 03:11

You obviously didn't read through my entire post

**Drake Tungsten** · October 28, 2002, 03:16

I read your post, but I don't believe that there is any merit to your idea of limiting the tourney to one loss teams. You of all people should know that the TV networks and the NCAA will never cut back the number of teams in the tournament; there's too much money to be made on the games that would be lost. If you institute an eight team tournament, then you will have eight teams and seven games every year, regardless of win-loss records.

**Ming** · October 28, 2002, 03:26

Uhhh... right now, the NCAA and TV networks are limiting the money they can make by using the current system instead of a playoff system... as you have already agreed too

It would be just like the baseball play offs where the networks and baseball have no idea how many games they are going to have... they just bite the bullet when it doesn't go 7 games... They could do the same here because as we all know, a playoff system in combination with the lesser bowl games would make tons more money than is currently be made now, even if it does only have one or two less games because of the lack of enough teams.

So I disagree with your argument. because if it comes down to a money issue, my suggestion still makes more money

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