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**DanS** · October 27, 2002, 19:08

"Notre Dame is Notre Dame."

This is no argument. ND's prestige wasn't helping them when they were double digit underdogs to FSU. It was a hinderance.

"But NC State, despite playing in a "major" conference, doesn't have that opportunity, because they don't have the same prestige."

Here you go again. Ignorance doesn't hurt us nearly as much us knowing things that just ain't so.

NC State has the 86th toughest schedule this year! That's the only reason!

But notice that the teams they played could have been good this year, just as the teams ND played could have been bad this year. In this respect, NC State had an equal chance as ND did for the national championsip at the beginning of the season.

Why does everybody here think that giving people a shot at the national title who don't deserve that shot is in any way good? It doesn't matter whether you have 2 playing for the title or 8 or 12.

**Guynemer** · October 27, 2002, 19:32

You just made my case for me, Dan. Who gets to decide who "deserves" a chance at the national title? Doesn't EVERY team deserve a chance, out there on the field? Earn that chance by winning the conference, period.

**Drake Tungsten** · October 27, 2002, 19:37

Why does winning your conference prove that you deserve a chance? Going the whole season with only one loss in a super conference like the SEC or Big 12 is a hell of a lot more impressive than going undefeated in the Sun Belt or MAC...

**DanS** · October 27, 2002, 19:41

"Who gets to decide who "deserves" a chance at the national title?"

The computer rankings, based primarily on strength of schedule.

"Doesn't EVERY team deserve a chance, out there on the field?"

Every team does have that chance in our current system.

"Earn that chance by winning the conference, period."

As Drake points out, each game should represent that "chance". Beat good teams in their house--simple as that. You're proposing the chance for a chance approach.

**Ming** · October 27, 2002, 19:42

Yeah... however, even though a team has an easy schedule doesn't mean it's not better than one of the powerhouse teams. Until they lose, you really DON'T know...

**Drake Tungsten** · October 27, 2002, 20:11

If you play an easy schedule and don't get respect because of it, well tough noogies...

**Guynemer** · October 27, 2002, 20:41

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Why does winning your conference prove that you deserve a chance? Going the whole season with only one loss in a super conference like the SEC or Big 12 is a hell of a lot more impressive than going undefeated in the Sun Belt or MAC...

Why should a team that is obviously not the best in its own conference get to play for the national title?

If I had my druthers, the playoffs in pro leagues would be limited to only division champs...

**Drake Tungsten** · October 27, 2002, 20:48

Why should a team that is obviously not the best in its own conference get to play for the national title?

They shouldn't (except under the most extreme of circumstances). But neither should the Sun Belt champ.

If I had my druthers, the playoffs in pro leagues would be limited to only division champs...

How would this solve anything? The NFL regular season would still be a joke. Hell, with the divisions set up as they are right now, a team hovering around .500 could still make the playoffs...

**Imran Siddiqui** · October 27, 2002, 21:21

Why does winning your conference prove that you deserve a chance? Going the whole season with only one loss in a super conference like the SEC or Big 12 is a hell of a lot more impressive than going undefeated in the Sun Belt or MAC...

Seeing how you love soccer, explain to me how the European Club Championships system is any different from a Guynemer's system where conference champtions play each other. In Europe, the best teams from each country go into a tourney.

**Drake Tungsten** · October 27, 2002, 21:29

The Club Championships aren't anything like a playoff because of the obvious fact that they aren't played after the regular season. The Club Championship tourneys are more like an invitational tournament in college basketball, where you get invited to attend based on your team's performance in previous years. It's like a preseason NIT that is played all throughout the regular season.

**Guynemer** · October 27, 2002, 21:29

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Why should a team that is obviously not the best in its own conference get to play for the national title?

They shouldn't (except under the most extreme of circumstances). But neither should the Sun Belt champ.

Why shouldn't they? Because they aren't as good? Don't they deserve a shot at proving us wrong? Otherwise, what's the point of even being in Div I-A?

**Ogie Oglethorpe** · October 27, 2002, 21:32

Being a Penn State Grad and seeing PSU get shafted at least 3 times when they had undefeated seasons from getting the National Title. Not only Yes, but Hell F****ing Yes!!

And I agree with the 8 team format as opposed to a 12 team format.

Rotate the bowls so that each area get the major championship game.

Bowls included in the roatation would be:

Rose
Orange
Sugar
Cotton
Fiesta

Additional 3 sites pending approval by NCAA.

**Imran Siddiqui** · October 27, 2002, 21:33

Doesn't matter. There is still a championship based on records. Simply because it is played in the middle of the season has no bearing. You can't have another tournament in American football in the middle of the season.

The only different is the time of the playoff, not the playoff themselves.

**Drake Tungsten** · October 27, 2002, 21:34

Why shouldn't they? Because they aren't as good? Don't they deserve a shot at proving us wrong?

You want to prove that you deserve a shot? Go to Miami or Nebraska and beat them in their house. It's as simple as that. I don't see why we should reward teams who hide out in horrible conferences...

**Drake Tungsten** · October 27, 2002, 21:37

Doesn't matter. There is still a championship based on records.

It does matter. You aren't going on the current season's record, but on the record of the season before. How exactly is this like a proposed college football playoff? Under a Euro style system, Nebraska would be playing in the Champion's League even though they suck ass this year. It is nothing like a playoff, which seeks to determine that overall champion for the current year.

edit: Of course, turnover on Euros club teams isn't nearly as severe as that of US college football teams, but you are still playing with a different team than the one you qualified with. Real Madrid's acquisition of Ronaldo shows how different a team can be from the one that qualified for the Champion's League.

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