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While no poll or computer ranking is perfect, they do good approximations. Don't discount them.
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I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891 -
Sure... they are "good approximations"... but if there are 5 or more teams at the end of the year, and all with one loss, and they all played resonably tough schedules... a "good approximation" isn't good enough. Computers are picking national championships, not games between the teams.
Again... every other major college sport allows the best teams to actually play to determine who the national champion is... why should college football be different... oh that's right, a bunch of old farts running the bowl system who only give a damn about money... that's why.
The BCS system is a joke and should be replaced by actual games being played.Keep on Civin'
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I have to agree with Ming.
And btw, if it is Miami v. Ohio State and both are undefeated, I still would say that Washington State, Oklahoma, even Texas might be better than both! Just because you got one loss doesn't mean that you are any worse than the 'undefeated teams'. I don't buy that BS.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I have to agree with Ming.
Keep on Civin'
RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron OComment
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i wouldn't even mind using the current BCS system to pick teams for a playoff system, instead of just the top 2 teams have either the top 4 or the top 8 BCS teams playComment
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"a "good approximation" isn't good enough"
In my view it is.
Sometimes an approximation isn't neded. If Ohio State and Miami play, then I think we would all agree that this is a good outcome--indeed, an outcome better than a playoff would have provided.
"Again... every other major college sport allows the best teams to actually play to determine who the national champion is... why should college football be different..."
Why should college football look toward the other sports, when it is the most popular college sport? They must be doing something right. I love the fact that after about mid-year, the good teams are playing for the national championship each week.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Come on Ming, we don't disagree that much
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And most years, yeah, it'll work ok. But all it takes is that one year where the BCS turns to **** because you have 5 undefeated teams.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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"But all it takes is that one year where the BCS turns to **** because you have 5 undefeated teams."
What do you think the chances of that are?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Pretty good actually.
I hate the BCS with a passion. The sooner a playoff gets here the better.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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That's where I dissagree. Only the good teams in "good" conferences are playing for a national championship. And ND of course.Originally posted by DanS
I love the fact that after about mid-year, the good teams are playing for the national championship each week.
And it's easy for a so called "good" conference to fool the pollsters. Let's say a regular conference (like the big ten) gets some good early spots in the polls PRIOR to the season and any games have been played. They mostly schedule puff games prior to conference play. So they rack up an impressive record against crappy schools, but since they're winning, they stay high in the polls. The occasional lose, is usually against a good school and doesn't hurt them much. Now they start playing each other. They beat up on the Illinois's and other weak teams running up their records, and an occasional lose to a ranked team doesn't kill them because of strength of schedule. It's a self feeding cycle. Then they send 5,6, or 7 teams to the bowls, and they're lucky to win one game. Hmmmm, maybe we overestimated how tough the conference was.
My point being, that some real good teams in bad conferences AREN"T playing for the national championship every saturday. Only the handful of "accepted" teams are. That's downright unamerican.
RAH
It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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We may not get a season with 5 undefeated teams in the near future, but we are likely to see a season with one or none undefeated teams.
Keep on Civin'
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With a playoff, you would never get this amount of good copy. This is a funny one "[w]e have to put asses in seats. Notre Dame will fill us up."
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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The last time that 5 or more teams were unbeaten was in 1973 when OK, ND, OSU, MI, Penn St., and Miami (Ohio) finished their seasons unbeaten (Though OK and MI each had a tie). Given that this was 29 years ago, I would put the odds at 1 in 29.Originally posted by DanS
"But all it takes is that one year where the BCS turns to **** because you have 5 undefeated teams."
What do you think the chances of that are?
In 1969, you had 4 unbeaten teams: USC, Penn St., TX, and San Diego State.Comment
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Thank you, statsmeister. And how many games did these folks play in the regular season?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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11 games, though Penn State went 12-0-0 and lost the N. Championship to an 11-0-0 Notre Dame team.
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