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  • Go to sleep for two hours and two pages of thread to come back to. Bah!

    I love some of the comments, unless I'm an anthropologist, unless I'm two million years old. Ming, I take you're a creationist then? Mankind's been on this planet for 3 million years. As for the other comments, we have this really fascinating field of study known as ... archeology. Y'all should check it out some time, you learn interesting things like how people didn't always live like you do.

    You see, sadly for you, Marxism isn't founded on some ideas in some old krumudgeon's head, like say, Libertarianism is. Marx and Engles actually spent decades studying economics, anthropolgy, archeology, evolution, chemistry, and so. If you look through Engles notes, The Dialectics of Nature, you will see the first exposition on Chaos theory, a theory which didn't even begin to be forumlated by the mainstream scientific community for another hundred years. Many of Marx and Engles writings are standards in sciology, anthropology, and archeology.

    So when we commies talk about human nature, and how human societies have evolved, we aren't just talking out of our collective asses. We actually know what we're talking about.

    You can talk all about how greed is normal under all conditions, but for the most part pre-civilized society, food was rather plentiful. Greed is meaningless in a society where if you want another apple, all you have to do is pick it. It is not until the development of agricultre that you begin to see hoarding, that's not that long ago in terms of human history, a blink of an eye.
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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    • Originally posted by Ramo
      People can immigrate to other states if they don't like it.
      Now you are just being pedantic. The employees freely enter into labor contracts. If they don't like the terms of the contract, they are under no obligation to accept.
      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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      • Greed is meaningless in a society where if you want another apple, all you have to do is pick it.


        The lack of greed depends on a society with plentiful resources. With scarce resources, greed manifests itself in amazing numbers.
        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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        • Originally posted by DinoDoc
          Now you are just being pedantic. The employees freely enter into labor contracts. If they don't like the terms of the contract, they are under no obligation to accept.
          Just as if a criminal were to put a gun to a man's head and tell him to give him his wallet or get shot? Clearly, the man has a choice to keep his money here, and he is also free to get shot.
          Just as it is in the world of capitalism, if someone doesn't like working for 5.15 in a local dairy queen, they are free to leave just exactly as you say, but they are also free to perish or their children are free to perish if they do so.
          http://monkspider.blogspot.com/

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          • Now you are just being pedantic. The employees freely enter into labor contracts. If they don't like the terms of the contract, they are under no obligation to accept.
            People are obligated to accept at least one employer's contract. Otherwise they starve. Just like people are obligated to accept at least one state's rule.
            "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
            -Bokonon

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            • Neither our species (250,000 years) nor even our genus Homo ( 2.4 million years) has been around 3 million years.
              Gaius Mucius Scaevola Sinistra
              Japher: "crap, did I just post in this thread?"
              "Bloody hell, Lefty.....number one in my list of persons I have no intention of annoying, ever." Bugs ****ing Bunny
              From a 6th grader who readily adpated to internet culture: "Pay attention now, because your opinions suck"

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              • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                Greed is meaningless in a society where if you want another apple, all you have to do is pick it.


                The lack of greed depends on a society with plentiful resources. With scarce resources, greed manifests itself in amazing numbers.
                That's one my of points!

                In a society of abundence (however that is defined, as societies have evolved, our needs have grown), greed is not only pointless, it can be couter-productive.

                The big problem with the greed argument is that it pretends that greed is the only or chief motivator in human existence. Are you greedy all day? In your relations with other people, are you thinking about how you can take everything? Of course, you can redfine greed into simple want, but want isn't greed any more than love means you're a stalker.
                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                • Originally posted by chegitz guevara

                  So when we commies talk about human nature, and how human societies have evolved, we aren't just talking out of our collective asses. We actually know what we're talking about.

                  You can talk all about how greed is normal under all conditions, but for the most part pre-civilized society, food was rather plentiful. Greed is meaningless in a society where if you want another apple, all you have to do is pick it. It is not until the development of agricultre that you begin to see hoarding, that's not that long ago in terms of human history, a blink of an eye.
                  Your not serious are you? Scarcity was everything. Why was agriculature invented in the first place? In order to solve the starvation issues and survive the winters. Greed is a survival instinct firstly. Those with food survived.

                  Greed becomes later on a means of establishing oneself in the community and giving oneself a false sense of immortality later on.

                  Greed is an integral part of human nature. Not pretty but it is.
                  "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                  “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                  • Originally posted by Ramo
                    People are obligated to accept at least one employer's contract.
                    I can speak from personal experience that isn't true Ramo.

                    Edit: I miss read your post.

                    My new response is, "What's wrong with that?"
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • Originally posted by monkspider
                      Oggie- Communism is no more inherently a governmental than capitalism.
                      Other than communisim requiring an order or 2 of manigtude more goverment force, regulation, and coercion to exist?
                      Gaius Mucius Scaevola Sinistra
                      Japher: "crap, did I just post in this thread?"
                      "Bloody hell, Lefty.....number one in my list of persons I have no intention of annoying, ever." Bugs ****ing Bunny
                      From a 6th grader who readily adpated to internet culture: "Pay attention now, because your opinions suck"

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                      • That's one my of points!

                        In a society of abundence (however that is defined, as societies have evolved, our needs have grown), greed is not only pointless, it can be couter-productive.


                        But your point is flawed. There ISN'T a society of abundance and there never will in our lifetimes. Therefor to talk about it assuming it will happen is silly.

                        The big problem with the greed argument is that it pretends that greed is the only or chief motivator in human existence. Are you greedy all day? In your relations with other people, are you thinking about how you can take everything? Of course, you can redfine greed into simple want, but want isn't greed any more than love means you're a stalker.


                        Actually every relation with another person involves a cost-benefit analysis, and people wish for the most greedy outcome. Greed doesn't have to apply JUST to money, but can include greed of good feeling.

                        People are obligated to accept at least one employer's contract.


                        When there are hundreds of employer's offers to accept, I don't feel that that is immoral in any way.
                        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                        • DinoD- It is for the vast majority of people, the vast majority of the time.
                          http://monkspider.blogspot.com/

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                          • I missread Ramo's post, ms. Read my new response.
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                            • See my previous post then.
                              http://monkspider.blogspot.com/

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                              • Originally posted by Ramo
                                People are obligated to accept at least one employer's contract.
                                I'm working for myself at the moment. People pay good money for semi-professional landscaping.
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