Why I believe capitalism is morally wrong and evil...

[blackice]

Democracy, heh ideals of the oblarchy, we the people watch with open hands, open minds and anticipation of it's reality.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Sava
I am too arrogant to change my mind.

I really dont know why anyone even listens after a comment like this.

[Ned]

May I just make a comment? One does not have to overthrow the US government to live a socialist life inside the United States. A group of socialists could settle in one place within the borders of the United States or some other and set up their own rules of governance.

Examples of this phenomenon are the Israel Kibbutz, the Amish and Catholic monasteries.

So, I suggest to those who do not like capitalism, simply form a socialist island and live there. Don’t try to take capitalism or whatever we have in the US away from the rest of us who like it the way it is.

Live and let live.

[tandeetaylor]

Originally posted by NeOmega
It's only eight hours a day and you don't have to. You can open a hotdog stand. You can open a janitorial service, floor waxing business, junk removal business, land scaping, air duct cleaning, newspaper stand, sell Amway, Avon or Mary Kay, carpet cleaning........

But first you have to purchase your necessary permits, get all your inspections, etc...

From what I hear, you can just take care of that with a campaign contribution to your local county comissioner.

[tandeetaylor]

Originally posted by NeOmega But the Democrats or Republicans certainly are not going to ever wake up and really try to stop corporate influence.

The way to end coporate influence on the government is to take the government out of economics.

[Caligastia]

I think we should take the money out of economics.

[tandeetaylor]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
As for the other comments, we have this really fascinating field of study known as ... archeology. Y'all should check it out some time, you learn interesting things like how people didn't always live like you do.

I was just joking about the 2 million thing. And while I understand the wealth of learning to be gained from archeology, I don't think it can/has been shown that prehistoric humans were universally ungreedy.

Perhaps the reason humans didn't hoard was because it didn't tend to work well with nomadic lifestyles... which means they may have been, uh oh, acting to their own benefit.

[tandeetaylor]

Originally posted by Caligastia
I think we should take the money out of economics.

That premise is so faulty... where do I begin?

Money is a measure of worth. Money doesn't have worth unless we give it worth. Money is just an evolution of bartering in that it transfers worth to a standard that can be used to measure worth more efficiently than when every object must be compared to every other object to conduct business. You can't take money out of economics unless you take worth out of economics. See if that works for two seconds.

[tandeetaylor]

Originally posted by Aeson
The failings of socialism have been pointed out quite enough on this thread already. It just won't work in it's pure form with the mentality of the average human.

Ah the age old argument that humans aren't good enough for this perfect philsophy. Give it up already. It isn't perfect unless it works. A philosophy that doesn't work in real life isn't good, get it? Doesn't work = Bad

[tandeetaylor]

Originally posted by Ramo
Sorry, but I don't know too many millionare hotdog stand operators. Perhaps you can point them out.

If you don't know anyone who started with nothing and became very succesful, then I feel sorry for you, but there's really nothing anyone can do about that.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by tandeetaylor


That premise is so faulty... where do I begin?

Money is a measure of worth. Money doesn't have worth unless we give it worth. Money is just an evolution of bartering in that it transfers worth to a standard that can be used to measure worth more efficiently than when every object must be compared to every other object to conduct business. You can't take money out of economics unless you take worth out of economics. See if that works for two seconds.

I cant believe you took that comment seriously.

[tandeetaylor]

My mistake. I've seen too many stupid posts to assume that almost anything is sarcasm.

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by Admiral PJ
The main problem is the world is still fragmented, with minority parties / groups greed spoiling the vast majority of the planet.. this can be solved by having a unified world government, with national governments subserviant to this, but power still shared.
This would end most millitary conflict and terrorsism, with every earth citizen equal and treated with equal rights. Hunger would be abolished as the starving would be part of the world nation and the rich west would be obliged to feed them.

The first step is to strictly regulate trade and companies, perhaps under a global Industry regulation authority.

See you in paradise

Great idea! Bread and Circus for the poor proletariat of the world!

[Sarxis]

I agree with you Sava. But we live in an evil world, and what would be better?

Technocracy most likely.

[Capt Dizle]

Capitalism is superior to other forms of economic systems in my humble and uneducated opinion. But in a capitalist society money is power and power corrupts absolutely. There needs to be a way to curb the power of money, especially corporate profits. Essentially corporate money controls the election of Congress and gains too much influence leading to conditions that favor corporations. Corporations become controlled not be a diverse group of shareholders but a select few who have no long term interest in building solid companies that will be solid earners for long periods of time. Instead, they look to create the illusion of "earnings growth" through mergers and accounting tricks for the purpose of running up the stock prices and then the select cash out with riches untold. Leaving the people who depend on the corporation to suffer the fall to reality.