OK Pro-Abortionists...Case Study.

[Dr Strangelove]

Ah, but you shoukld take into account that if she was doing crack she very well could be legally culpable for the potential harm to the unborn child. I'm not sure if it's called child endangerment or child abuse.

[KrazyHorse]

I agree that she should be responsible. It's like driving drunk...

[Capt Dizle]

Ok, we have settled on a new standard for convoluted logic. Its okay to abort a child but criminal to smoke and drink while carrying the same child. That begs the question, if a woman is caught smoking or drinking while pregnant can she beat the rap by doing a quick abortion?

Should we allow a child whose mother smoked or drinked while pregnant to sue its mother for damages?

Perhaps we should require a certificate of good conduct from women who want abortions. Proof that they did not smoke or drink while pregnant. If they have done such things we must not allow the abortion in order to safeguard the unborn baby's potential legal rights to recover damages from her mother.

[tinyp3nis]

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
I am pro-abortion. I believe all babies that have even a small chance of growing up like Bod should be identified as early as possible and destroyed.

I think men who are against abortion, should not be allowed to masturbate. Or even have balls... ITS MURDER I TELL YOU!!! Semen are people!!! ok?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by jimmytrick
Ok, we have settled on a new standard for convoluted logic. Its okay to abort a child but criminal to smoke and drink while carrying the same child. That begs the question, if a woman is caught smoking or drinking while pregnant can she beat the rap by doing a quick abortion?

Sure. If teh pregnancy didn't reach the third trimester then there's nobody to hurt.

Should we allow a child whose mother smoked or drinked while pregnant to sue its mother for damages?

Yes.

[MrFun]

Re: OK Pro-Abortionists...Case Study.

Originally posted by Boddington's
Last night I was out watching a couple of football games when I saw a pregnant women smoking and drinking.

Are you pro-choice for the female to do whatever she wants to her body, or do you care that the baby will be suffering and either die or be born with alcohol- and smoking-related defects?

Personally, I think she souldn't be smoking or drinking, and that is consistent with my beliefs about abortion.

However, you ought to think it's her body and can do what she wants, regardless of any ill effects to the baby, in order to be consistent. After all, it isn't a proper human is it?

BAAAAAACK to the thread author's original topic.

As several others have already said what I agree with, the woman is behaving in ways that I have no respect for, yet we are not legally enabled to force her to stop.

If a mother is engaging in health-detrimental behavior while pregnant, she is engaging in unethical behavior, if she never intended to abort the fetus.

IMO, when a woman is pregnant due to rape, or if her delivering the baby would endanger her life, then an abortion is an ethical, legitimate option -- IMO, the woman's life and/or well-being takes precedence over a fetus.

[KrazyHorse]

As several others have already said what I agree with, the woman is behaving in ways that I have no respect for, yet we are not legally enabled to force her to stop

http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/spib_SADP.pdf

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Frogger

As several others have already said what I agree with, the woman is behaving in ways that I have no respect for, yet we are not legally enabled to force her to stop

http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/spib_SADP.pdf

South Carolina does not count -- it's a backwards state where people have used the Bible to replace constitutional law.

[KrazyHorse]

Trying to look up Canadian law, but not finding very much. I seem to recall a woman losing custody of her child for her acts during pregnancy a few months ago...

[blackice]

Yes Frogger In CANADA we have three classes of society lawyers are one of them. In order to get access to law you have to be in it. That is why we have legal aid and legal clinics wasting our cash. God forbid we all had equal access to law here...

You are correct in fact smoking while pregnant has been ruled on as one example.

It is interesting to note that men have been charged with endangering the life of a fetus yet in CANADA very few women have for similar and or worse endangerment to the life of an unborn.

Coat hanger abortions are not a criminal offernce to the woman just the one proforming it etc...

[Sonic]

No, semen aren't people, because no person can be born only from semen. However, once semen connects with women's sexual cell (don't know the name in ENglish, sorry), it becomes a person. Yes, it becomes a person exacly then, not when it is born.

[Sirotnikov]

I think the kid could file a law suit when grown up.

[Sirotnikov]

In any case - yes - the woman can do what she wants - tp her self.

But if she is hurting the child - then social services should step it.

Would a woman with a 5 y/o be allowed to let him smoke and drink alcohol? No - social services would take the kid away.

Same thing should be done as early as possible to the said woman once she gives birth.

[flash9286]

how can Europeans suppor abortion and be anti-death penalty

[Lincoln]

"If a mother is engaging in health-detrimental behavior while pregnant, she is engaging in unethical behavior, if she never intended to abort the fetus."

Of course if she kills the kid then it becomes "ethical". This is one reason why I am not a liberal. How do you twist this so easily? And let me guess, you do not approve of Capital punishment yet you do think that aborting a fetus is a solution to the unhealthy practices of a mother? Correct me if I am wrong.