OK Pro-Abortionists...Case Study.

[Solly]

Last night I was out watching a couple of football games when I saw a pregnant women smoking and drinking.

Are you pro-choice for the female to do whatever she wants to her body, or do you care that the baby will be suffering and either die or be born with alcohol- and smoking-related defects?

Personally, I think she souldn't be smoking or drinking, and that is consistent with my beliefs about abortion.

However, you ought to think it's her body and can do what she wants, regardless of any ill effects to the baby, in order to be consistent. After all, it isn't a proper human is it?

[aaglo]

Drinking and smoking isn't healthy for an adult - let alone fetus. No, she shouldn't do either of them.

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Puritans...

I defend the idea that you must be free to do what you to your body.

I knew very few case where a mother was still drinking and smoking when pregnant. I know far more cases where the mother stop smoking and obliged her husband to stop smoking too at home.

[Dry]

Re: OK Pro-Abortionists...Case Study.

Originally posted by Boddington's
Personally, I think she souldn't be smoking or drinking, and that is consistent with my beliefs about abortion.

How far would you 'fight' for you beliefs?
Try to convince her? Force her?
What if you thought eating pork - beef(?) - is dangerous for the health?
To how far are you allowed to force people (adults) to behave according to your own beliefs.

On my side, I am - a priori - against abortion, the same way I am against amputation. I would avoid it by all means. But I would never ever condamn a doctor for an amputation if it saves a life.
In some rare cases, amputation may be a crime, but most of the time it is a least evil.
Abortion, like amputation should be allowed by the law.

And BTW: I also disagree about the child being a part of the woman's body, but maybe this is another debate.

[rah]

You can't really stop her. And while it would be nice to stop her, I don't believe we have the right to.
Now if it's something illegal, then if she's caught, I have no problem putting her in jail which might stop some of the problem.

But let's turn it around for those that are pro-life.
The lady knows that she will be unable to stop smoking or drinking and the fetus is being damaged BIG time,
so she chooses to have an abortion.

Hmmmmm.

[MikeH]

However, you ought to think it's her body and can do what she wants, regardless of any ill effects to the baby, in order to be consistent. After all, it isn't a proper human is it?

Yep. You can give people information about what they are doing and advise people to stop but you can't force them.

[Solly]

But what if it harms someone else, that's the crux of the issue; not what she does to herself.

[Sava]

[Jack the Bodiless]

Is anybody here "pro-abortion"? I doubt it. Pro-choice doesn't mean pro-abortion.

Personally, I think she souldn't be smoking or drinking, and that is consistent with my beliefs about abortion.

Not if you're a "pro-lifer". You should seek the woman's trial and imprisonment for this crime.

[Jack the Bodiless]

...Also, if the only health risk was an early miscarriage, then her decision to become pregnant and then risk miscarriage is hers alone: no other person will suffer.

It is the risk of actually producing a child who will suffer long-term effects that makes this wrong. A person could suffer.

[Combat Ingrid]

There is a difference between aborting a lump of cells and giving birth to a baby that is severely damaged from your drinking/smoking/etc behaviour...

[Urban Ranger]

I don't know at what you are driving Stew.

Clearly, alcoholism and smoking are both bad for a person, and the woman in question really should stop.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Has our Stewey joined the BNP yet?

[Urban Ranger]

Is he the BNP brute squad?

[Solly]

Originally posted by Combat Ingrid
There is a difference between aborting a lump of cells and giving birth to a baby that is severely damaged from your drinking/smoking/etc behaviour...

So to kill something is not as bad as merely harming it?