Should I circumcize my son?

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Asher
How can you respect the husband's religion when he himself doesn't respect it?

Who says he doesn't respect his religion, I'm MOrmon and I respect the religion, but I drink smoke, have pre-marital sex and drink caffeine.

Just because I don't live it, doesn't mean I don't respect it.

I'm not gay, but I hold gay people in respect, too!

[SuperSneak]

There hasn't been jack **** debunked in this thread. You couldn't debunk your way out of a paper bag.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Not just the religion. She says in arguments she gets her way because she's strong willed and he's not. She likes to roll all over him. I have a sneaking suspicion that she dumped ck, because he stood up for himself.

The dominant partner in every relationship doesn't have to be the man.
In many cases it can be the opposite these days.

But Asher, you only hear what you want to, so I'll let you go off and keep doing that.

I hear what is said, and you're not saying anything new.

[tandeetaylor]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I'm sorry, but I belong to this culture and you don't!

Here's your cookie.

You can think it nasty, but I've seen it. If your husband is waffling over whether to be more religious, there is a good chance HE WILL BE. The culture is simply too strong. Unless he is totally against his religion and culture and will never even think about being religious (like I am), the traditions will probably suck him in. I've seen where a man had a religious revival and then wanted to raise the kids Muslim, and when the wife disagreed, he left her.

I wouldn't really say he is waffling about whether to be religious, really just whether he will continue some of it's practices. He made his choice about not being a practicing Muslim long before he met me AND long before he left Lebanon. I don't think anything is going to change that. I'm sorry if YOU don't understand this, but my husband is an individual. If you ask him what he believes in, he will say, "Me."

And furthermore, he is a man that seems to defer to you on everything. How long do you think it'll be before his buddies tell him to stand up for himself. And then when do you think you will do when suddenly he gets a backbone?

Upon what are you basing this assumption? It has only happened once or twice where we simply could not agree. We are actually able to discuss through things more often than not. If he's wrong, he's wrong, if I am, than I am. I recently did something I really really didn't want to do for quite some time because he felt the opposite way, and we managed to come to the conclusion that he was right. He has plenty of backbone. He's just learning to use his brain too.

[Imran Siddiqui]

The dominant partner in every religion doesn't have to be the man.
In many cases it can be the opposite these days.

Why the Hell does there HAVE to be a dominant partner at all?!

you're not saying anything new.

You just aren't listening.

[Asher]

Originally posted by SuperSneak
There hasn't been jack **** debunked in this thread. You couldn't debunk your way out of a paper bag.

So all of those numerous medical journal references with specific points debunking each of the studies linking HIV infection rates to uncircumcised men didn't do it for you? Did you even read them?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Why the Hell does there HAVE to be a dominant partner at all?!

There doesn't HAVE to be, it's just how some relationships work out.

Some people are more submissive than dominant. That's why there's tops and bottoms in gay relationships.

You just aren't listening.

That's a generic copout argument, because you truly haven't said anything.

The husband isn't a full-on muslim, he switches back and forth into believing it, why should the kid be circumcised if he's not going to be raised that way?

The kid can always be circumcised later and become muslim if he wants...

[Imran Siddiqui]

I wouldn't really say he is waffling about whether to be religious, really just whether he will continue some of it's practices.

You say to-mah-toe, I say to-may-toe

He's just learning to use his brain too.

Because you feel he hasn't been? Yeah, you respect him.

I'm sorry, but if it was reversed, and it was the man saying this, the women would yell and scream about how horrible it was. Another gender double standard.

[DanS]

"Yes, and I think this is important, especially because it's not me who has to live with it, it's my son."

The magnitude of this choice does not rest on the fact that you're making it for your and your husband's son.

I guess it's more important topic than most threads around here. But that's not saying much.

[Imran Siddiqui]

The husband isn't a full-on muslim, he switches back and forth into believing it, why should the kid be circumcised if he's not going to be raised that way?

Um... again, you AREN'T LISTENING. When did I say the kid had to be circumsized because he might be a Muslim? I didn't. You said, the religious question doesn't matter because they won't be Muslims. I said they might. Once again, you hear what you want.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I'm sorry, but if it was reversed, and it was the man saying this, the women would yell and scream about how horrible it was. Another gender double standard.

Yeah, and then there are the people who should mind their own business.

Some men are submissive, believe it or not.
Some women are submissive also.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Some men are submissive, believe it or not.
Some women are submissive also.

Yet they shouldn't be. Submissiveness isn't a trait, it is the result of social conditioning. It's not something that should be played up. Domination shouldn't either. Simply because we don't own slaves anymore doesn't mean we have to act on the wanting for domination in the bedroom.

[Pekka]

Who's gonna respect the kid?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Um... again, you AREN'T LISTENING. When did I say the kid had to be circumsized because he might be a Muslim? I didn't. You said, the religious question doesn't matter because they won't be Muslims. I said they might.

I don't think you understand what you're saying.
I'm saying religion isn't a valid reason for getting her child circumcised since the child is not being raised muslim.

You said he might be muslim, talking about how the husband may snap one of these days, etc etc.

So you're in fact not saying the kid should be circumcised because he might be muslim? Why did you bring it up then?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Why did you bring it up then?

Because you weren't talking about this specific case. You were talking about circumcision in general, and I answered in general. Then you brough specifics into it, and I gave you an example involving this specific.