(Even) Turkey abolishes the death penalty!

[Asher]

Originally posted by paiktis22
do u think its a better society?

That's a very bad question.
I'd rather live in the US than live in Europe. That doesn't mean it's a better society per se, just that I prefer it.

decide your nationality finally asher

are you a stupid canadian or just another yankee?

What does that have to do with anything? Silly Greek Troll.

terrorist dangers are related to how ****ed up youve been in your policies not by your power

Not really. If you're not powerful you don't have any way to use your policies.

And it's guaranteed for every policy you have, there's a whacko group that strongly disagrees. And when you're strong enough and big enough that your policies matter, they get mad.

[Bereta_Eder]

even if one is excecuted wrongly it would be enough to stop it in a civilized non gun tottin' maniacs society that is

[MarkG]

a report in Sunday's Chicago Tribune found that of the 131 executions in Texas since Bush became governor in 1995, defense attorneys for 40 inmates presented just one witness - or no evidence at all - during the sentencing phase.

In one controversial case, death row inmate Calvin Burdine is fighting to overturn his 1983 conviction on the grounds that his court-appointed lawyer slept through much of his two-day trial.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/06/10/national/main204610.shtml

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by MarkG
more bbc

What may in the end prove even more telling, however, is the result of a study by the Columbia School of Law in New York.

After examining every capital punishment case passing through the appeal courts between 1973 and 1995 its lawyers found that seven out of 10 death sentences were reversed because of serious error in the original trials.

To its authors the study suggests that America's capital punishment system is breaking down under the weight of its own mistakes. They point out that an appeals process burdened with the task of catching so much error is hugely expensive. Also it takes an inordinate amount of time.

Clearly nearly 70% of America's 3,700 death row inmates should never have been sent there. And although not more than about one in 10 will ever be executed, the wrongly sentenced are having to wait for anything from 10 to 18 years to be told of their fate. That's not unusual, and it is certainly cruel.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/audiovide...nt/1168496.stm

I fail to see anything mentioned that suggests that waiting on death row is any more cruel and unusual than standard Max Security prison.

Jon Miller

[MarkG]

how many of the sentence had the money for an appeal?

[Asher]

Originally posted by MarkG

a report in Sunday's Chicago Tribune found that of the 131 executions in Texas since Bush became governor in 1995, defense attorneys for 40 inmates presented just one witness - or no evidence at all - during the sentencing phase.

In one controversial case, death row inmate Calvin Burdine is fighting to overturn his 1983 conviction on the grounds that his court-appointed lawyer slept through much of his two-day trial.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/...in204610.shtml

This is getting really, really pathetic, Mark.

You're not even citing articles to support your original statement.

Now you're citing articles which are supposed to make us think a trial is flawed because the DEFENSE only had 1 witness or something? wtf?

[Asher]

Originally posted by MarkG
how many of the sentence had the money for an appeal?

You are sooooooooooo clueless about the system...

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Asher

That's a very bad question.
I'd rather live in the US than live in Europe. That doesn't mean it's a better society per se, just that I prefer it.

im sorry for you

What does that have to do with anything? Silly Greek Troll.

with your recent identity crisis perhaps? id be willing to defend san marino too but were talking about the EU - US.

Not really. If you're not powerful you don't have any way to use your policies.

and if you are you can use it without taking the lives of inocents just to swollen your wallet.

And it's guaranteed for every policy you have, there's a whacko group that strongly disagrees. And when you're strong enough and big enough that your policies matter, they get mad.

oversimplified thing to say, used to "justify" why the half the world wants you dead or at least not breathing (answer = youve ****ed with them) not you, the americans but its the same as canadian, as i see

[MarkG]

knowing you'll be alive next month is something valuable isnt it?

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by MarkG

a report in Sunday's Chicago Tribune found that of the 131 executions in Texas since Bush became governor in 1995, defense attorneys for 40 inmates presented just one witness - or no evidence at all - during the sentencing phase.

In one controversial case, death row inmate Calvin Burdine is fighting to overturn his 1983 conviction on the grounds that his court-appointed lawyer slept through much of his two-day trial.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/...in204610.shtml

And if they are found to be wrongly convicted, they will be let off free. You have just shown that there our Justince system is not perfect (and we know that no EU country has these types of problems). That fails to show that Innocent people are routinely executed. Unlike many other nations, our prisoners have chance after chance after chance to show that they are innocent after they are convicted. We do not execute people lightly.

And yes, it is not governmental groups who are always doing the fighting for the criminals, but that just shows that our people are active in the process (As they should be).

Jon Miller

[MarkG]

There are currently 160 people on death row in Illinois. Since capital punishment was reinstated in 1977, the state has handed down 263 death sentences and executed 12 inmates. During this same period, 13 individuals have been exonerated and released from death row after they were shown to have been wrongfully convicted. Of the 263 death sentences, about 60 percent were reversed due to police or prosecutorial misconduct, inadequate counsel or mistaken identity

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/apr2002/illi-a27.shtml

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Asher

This is getting really, really pathetic, Mark.

You're not even citing articles to support your original statement.

Now you're citing articles which are supposed to make us think a trial is flawed because the DEFENSE only had 1 witness or something? wtf?

never thought you'd be so in favor of the death penalty asher. canada is just a funny silly america, i see it clearly

[Asher]

Originally posted by paiktis22
im sorry for you

Why? The crime rate in the suburbs is comparable to Europe, the incomes are higher, the taxes are lower, the weather is nicer.

with your recent identity crisis perhaps? id be willing to defend san marino too but were talking about the EU - US.

I'm trying to figure out where you're going with this, and whether I need to explain myself again.
I'm a dual citizen, born and currently live in Canada. Have lived in the States, will live in the States after I graduate again.

But what does this have to do with me saying Canada has a lower crime rate than the US? Why did you tell me I had to "choose between being american and canadian" because of that?

and if you are you can use it without taking the lives of inocents just to swollen your wallet.

Um...there's more to it than that.
Many groups don't like how the US supports Group A. The only real solution is for the US to go isolationist.

oversimplified thing to say, used to "justify" why the half the world wants you dead or at least not breathing (answer = youve ****ed with them) not you, the americans but its the same as canadian, as i see

When you become powerful you end up stepping on SOMEONE's toes in some way. Even when being isolationist you take flak because "you're not helping the fellow man".

[MarkG]

the system makes mistakes = the system sentences innocent people = the system kills innocent people

it's that simple!

[Asher]

Originally posted by paiktis22
never thought you'd be so in favor of the death penalty asher. canada is just a funny silly america, i see it clearly

Canada is one of the most diverse countries in the world.
Political opinion from province to province varies greatly.

It's not very correct to stereotype the whole country based off one province's opinions.

Mark: Do you realize you keep linking to articles which show that appeals DO work?