(Even) Turkey abolishes the death penalty!

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by paiktis22

so what? the rest of the country does compared to the EU. will you leave only in the suburbs?


people kill those who have killed them (or theirs)


believe it.

No, only the inner cities have such a high murder rate, everywhere else is low.

So those girls who were raped and murdered recently here killed one of the murders family members?

So Hitler had family members killed by the Jews?

So Germany killed Jews because Jews killed Germans?

I don't beleive it and you don't beleive it, stop talking out of your ass.

Jon Miller

[Asher]

Originally posted by MarkG

you've provided a quote from someone who said this MAY BE THE CASE.

it should be enough. for a civilized country.

I could provide quotes from someone saying that the lack of the death penalty causes sheep inbreeding.

Would that be enough for you? Or only the Scots?

[MarkG]

The major authority in this area is a study of wrongful convictions in "potentially capital cases" by Professors Hugo Bedau and Michael Radelet.18 [*pg 130] The first published version of this work, which appeared in 1987, listed 350 such wrongful convictions from 1900 through 1985, including 139 death sentences and twenty-three executions

http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.p...p.+Probs.+125+(Autumn+1998)

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by MarkG

you've provided a quote from someone who said this MAY BE THE CASE.

it should be enough. for a civilized country.


the fact that help was needed for you is enough for me....

Oh, not giving Turkey the islands and other land they want might be what is causing them to persecute the Kurds. You are causing genocide, give Turkey the parts of Greece it wants.



Jon Miller

[Asher]

Now you're getting somewhere, Mark.

So how many thousands of people were rightfully executed, and how did they determine the 23 were wrong?

[MarkG]

In May 1990, Jesse Tafero was executed in Florida. His case gained notoriety because the electric chair malfunctioned and his head caught on fire before he died.47 Two years later, Jesse's co-defendant, Sonia Jacobs, who had been convicted and sentenced to death on exactly the same evidence that sent Tafero to his death, was released after a U.S. Court of Appeals concluded that her conviction was based on prosecutorial suppression of exculpatory evidence and perjury by a prosecution witness (who was the real killer).48 Jacobs now lives in Los Angeles, and in early 1996, a television movie of her case was aired.49 But Tafero is dead. Had he been alive, the evidence that led to Jacobs's release would have led to his release, too.

http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.p...p.+Probs.+105+(Autumn+1998)

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by MarkG

The major authority in this area is a study of wrongful convictions in "potentially capital cases" by Professors Hugo Bedau and Michael Radelet.18 [*pg 130] The first published version of this work, which appeared in 1987, listed 350 such wrongful convictions from 1900 through 1985, including 139 death sentences and twenty-three executions

http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.p...p.+Probs.+125+(Autumn+1998)

Finally you find 1 site that supports your statement. Why should we beleive this site over the many that disagree with it?

(I can't even get to it so you need to fix the link)

Jon Miller

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Asher

That's the idea.

isolated rich person living protected from fences from a country full of homeless. great idea.

You live in GREECE, what the hell are you talking about?

you think your life in canada is better than what Greece provides me? think again

Who gets to dictate that? You? When it helps your case only?

prior conversation.

People hate those who are on top -- it's that simple.

people hate those who have made done them injustice. noone cares if the US is "on top" (it doesnt mean anything if it doesnt affect them or kills them)

You're quite the character...

oh well

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MarkG

The major authority in this area is a study of wrongful convictions in "potentially capital cases" by Professors Hugo Bedau and Michael Radelet.18 [*pg 130] The first published version of this work, which appeared in 1987, listed 350 such wrongful convictions from 1900 through 1985, including 139 death sentences and twenty-three executions

http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.p...p.+Probs.+125+(Autumn+1998)

I clicked on this link and this is what I saw:

Sorry . . .
e:/web/server/htdocs/journals/lcp/articles/lcp61dp125.htm does not exist.

[Jon Miller]

And when were they executed and so on and so forth (and try getting a percentage).

Jon Miller

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
Oh, not giving Turkey the islands and other land they want might be what is causing them to persecute the Kurds. You are causing genocide, give Turkey the parts of Greece it wants.

just quoting...

[Bereta_Eder]

and they are calling the canadians stupid

[Asher]

Originally posted by paiktis22
isolated rich person living protected from fences from a country full of homeless. great idea.

So what you're saying is it's a better idea to live in the inner city of Philadelphia than a Northern California Suburb?

you think your life in canada is better than what Greece provides me? think again

I'm sure Greece is a wonderful place, but second hand smoke alone there takes years off your life.
And Canada doesn't have stuff like 17N.

prior conversation.

If we only used prior conversation in any debate we wouldn't ever have anything new presented, would we?

people hate those who have made done them injustice. noone cares if the US is "on top" (it doesnt mean anything if it doesnt affect them or kills them)

It depends on the people.
There is a natural hate in many people for those who are on top.

[Jon Miller]

Don't you want to stop genocide MarkG?

Any civilized country would want to do so...

Jon Miller

[MarkG]

linked from

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/case/failure/

Between 1972 and the end of 1996, sixty-eight death row inmates in the nation were released because of doubts about their guilt.52 These releases do not prove that the system works, as some defenders of the death penalty would argue.
....
In virtually all of these cases, the defendants were released only after an expensive and exhausting uphill struggle, unsupported by public funds or public officials, and almost always fiercely resisted by the prosecution and ignored by those with the power to commute a death sentence.

Some of these prisoners, now free, came within a few days of being executed. Randall Adams, sentenced to death in Texas in 1977 and exonerated in 1989, came to within one week of his execution.54 Andrew Mitchell, sentenced to death in Texas in 1981, came within five days of death by lethal injection before being vindicated in 1993.55 Two half-brothers in Florida, William Jent and Ernest Miller, came within sixteen hours of being executed before they were released from prison in 1988

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