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**Jon Miller** · August 3, 2002, 01:10

Originally posted by paiktis22
and they are calling the canadians stupid

Obviously Greeks are dense...

Jon Miller

**Asher** · August 3, 2002, 01:11

Mark, want to explain the point of how someone gets their appeal?

"Unsupported by public funds or public officials" simply means he hired his own lawyer. This is not uncommon.
"fiercely resisted by the prosecution". Well, duh? He's the prosecution!

They appealed, they were released, what's the problem?

**Bereta_Eder** · August 3, 2002, 01:13

Originally posted by Asher

So what you're saying is it's a better idea to live in the inner city of Philadelphia than a Northern California Suburb?

im saying that you should care about philly or that im sorry for you.

I'm sure Greece is a wonderful place, but second hand smoke alone there takes years off your life.
And Canada doesn't have stuff like 17N.

we live longer than all other EU europeans despite smoking (has to do with lots of things)

17N?

never targets civilians, and compared to the crime rate of greece ( the lowest in the EU) you get more deaths from drug abuse alone.

If we only used prior conversation in any debate we wouldn't ever have anything new presented, would we?

the difference being keeping it into context

It depends on the people.
There is a natural hate in many people for those who are on top.

as i said fabrications. the reason the US is attacked is because it has ****ed people and now they hate her. some kill its civilians.

**Jon Miller** · August 3, 2002, 01:13

Originally posted by MarkG
linked from

frontline: the case for innocence: a "total system failure?"

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/case/failure/

Between 1972 and the end of 1996, sixty-eight death row inmates in the nation were released because of doubts about their guilt.52 These releases do not prove that the system works, as some defenders of the death penalty would argue.
....
In virtually all of these cases, the defendants were released only after an expensive and exhausting uphill struggle, unsupported by public funds or public officials, and almost always fiercely resisted by the prosecution and ignored by those with the power to commute a death sentence.

Some of these prisoners, now free, came within a few days of being executed. Randall Adams, sentenced to death in Texas in 1977 and exonerated in 1989, came to within one week of his execution.54 Andrew Mitchell, sentenced to death in Texas in 1981, came within five days of death by lethal injection before being vindicated in 1993.55 Two half-brothers in Florida, William Jent and Ernest Miller, came within sixteen hours of being executed before they were released from prison in 1988

source

So?? The system includes more than just the government. The system includes the people of this nation, many of whom spend a lot of time poring over DP cases looking for reasons to doubt their guilt. I am glad that we have people like this (many are anti-DP, but that is good). If we did not have them, I would be Anti-DP.

I know that it is a little subtle for those in other counties, but it seems to work pretty well.

Jon Miller

**Asher** · August 3, 2002, 01:14

Originally posted by paiktis22
im saying that you should care about philly or that im sorry for you.

Who said I didn't care about Philly?
There's simply nothing I can do about it.
Why don't you care about Philly?!

as i said fabrications. the reason the US is attacked is because it has ****ed people and now they hate her. some kill its civilians.

Yes, and once you become big and actually do much of anything (isn't this the purpose of the EU?) you end up ****ing with people as well.

**MarkG** · August 3, 2002, 01:15

and of course you ignore the word "expensive".....

**Jon Miller** · August 3, 2002, 01:16

Originally posted by MarkG
and of course you ignore the word "expensive".....

Actually there are many groups in the US that offer their services for free....

Jon Miller

**Asher** · August 3, 2002, 01:16

Originally posted by MarkG
and of course you ignore the word "expensive".....

Of course it costs money when you hire a private lawyer.

Since it didn't actually provide any concrete numbers, and considering the tone and how he presented information in such a slanted way, I ignored it because it wasn't informative nor relevant.

I could call a Big Mac expensive...

**MarkG** · August 3, 2002, 01:17

jon, someone is not supposed to get justice only if he has hundreds or thousands of people supporting his case....

**Bereta_Eder** · August 3, 2002, 01:17

Originally posted by Asher

Who said I didn't care about Philly?

you said you'll live in a rich suburb and **** them all

(or that was your

)

There's simply nothing I can do about it.

are u always so delusional

Why don't you care about Philly?!

at least im trying to make someone more near it care.

Yes, and once you become big and actually do much of anything (isn't this the purpose of the EU?) you end up ****ing with people as well.

the 1st purprose of the EU is to not be another euopean war basically. as to if we'd **** people or not, who knows? the US has though and its paying the price.

**Asher** · August 3, 2002, 01:19

Originally posted by paiktis22
you said you'll live in a rich suburb and **** them all

(or that was your

)

Where do you pull that from?
I'll live in a suburb because I don't want to live in an area with high crime, and because that's where computer jobs tend to be!

I didn't say anything about "**** them all" nor implied anything like it.

at least im trying to make someone more near it care.

I do care, I just can't do anything about it.
What can I do, paiktis?

**MarkG** · August 3, 2002, 01:20

and of course you didnt care to click on the link to it's sources....

jon, some people donated money so that these groups can offer free services. it shouldnt be this way....

**Asher** · August 3, 2002, 01:21

Originally posted by MarkG
and of course you didnt care to click on the link to it's sources....

and of course you didnt care to quote the relevant parts to the debates.

You linked to about 200 pages of information tonight, you honestly expect people to read it all?

What a cop out.

jon, some people donated money so that these groups can offer free services. it shouldnt be this way....

So suddenly people can't just volunteer their time anymore?

**Bereta_Eder** · August 3, 2002, 01:22

Originally posted by Asher

Where do you pull that from?
I'll live in a suburb because I don't want to live in an area with high crime, and because that's where computer jobs tend to be!

and im sure other people "chose" to be in high crime areas..

*shivers when thinking of the new world...*

I didn't say anything about "**** them all" nor implied anything like it.

did too

I do care, I just can't do anything about it.
What can I do, paiktis?

educate organize agitate.

push for more social welfare through your votes and your political convictions should be a good start

**DinoDoc** · August 3, 2002, 01:22

Originally posted by MarkG
jon, someone is not supposed to get justice only if he has hundreds or thousands of people supporting his case....

You seem to forget that they'd still be rotting in prison if not for the contingent of rabid anti-death penalty activists.

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