Israel is a rascist state

[Felch]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

It's the only state whose neighbours actually wants it wiped from the surface of the planet

This is just plain false. I can think up half a dozen examples of this...

You're not making any implications are you Canuck? I know what's going on, I read satirewire.com. . .

[Az]

aren't we generalizing now , Che?

"natives".... pffff.

[Dinner]

Sense we are so emotionally bound up in this debate looking at things from a different perspective may help us. In WWI & WW2 a German citizen would be interned if he was found in territory control by the allies and visa versa. Was this because British were viralently racist against Germans? No, people recognized that there was a war going on and that security concerns over road normal nicities.

What we have in the middle east is a war and now arm chair liberals want to condemn Isreal for using the same proceedures the rest of the world has been using. Where is your outrage when Jews & Christians are repressed in Muslim countries? Where are your fine words when non-Muslims are fired from their jobs, are imprisioned, or linched in Arab/Muslim countries?

Why do you so venemently protest one act but ignore the others?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Can't tell the Good Arabs v. Bad Arabs sounds VERY racist. Kind of like the American South after reconstruction.

Hardly, in this context "bad" means those with homicidal intent and "good" means those who do not wish to kill their neighbors.

[Imran Siddiqui]

If saying that helps you sleep at night, go ahead. But it is basically the definition of rascism.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara Agressors usually aren't the natives.

Natives? Oh, you must mean the Christian Byzantines who's land the Arabs invaded, forcibely converted, and subjugated. What a minute... Didn't the Christians take the land from the Romans, who took the land from the Jews, who took the land from...

You see my friend none of us are natives. All societies live on land that once belonged to someone else. The whole idea of "natives" is illogical.

[CyberGnu]

Oerdin: Fascinating... So Hitler was a nice old man, just affirming the natural order?

I'm sorry, but there are a few of us believing in civilization...

[Dinner]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Oerdin: Fascinating... So Hitler was a nice old man, just affirming the natural order?

I'm sorry, but there are a few of us believing in civilization...

Hitler was evil. But there still aren't any natives...

BTW Nice Red Herring; I suppose responding to arguments is to much to ask?

[CyberGnu]

Red Herring?

In civilized society we have established that you can't take someones property, even if you are stronger and more intimidating.

Claiming that 'there is no such thing as property' is just a weak justification for anarchy...

Likewise with your 'there are no natives', as in context it translated into 'palestinains don't have rights to the land they lived on for hundreds of years'.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Red Herring?

In civilized society we have established that you can't take someones property, even if you are stronger and more intimidating.

Claiming that 'there is no such thing as property' is just a weak justification for anarchy...

Likewise with your 'there are no natives', as in context it translated into 'palestinains don't have rights to the land they lived on for hundreds of years'.

I didn't say anyone could steal other people's property. chegitz guevara contended that Palistines were natives and I replied that the Palistines, like everyone else, wasn't native. That whole discussion was really nothing more then a side track of a side track. An acedmic excerise in history from which you may infur what ever you wish though nothing was implied.

[Saint Marcus]

Your defense of racism is rather disturbing.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Your defense of racism is rather disturbing.

That's right Marcus, keep skirting the issues. Keep yelling racism and don't respond to any arguments set forth.

It is my experience that when one side stops talking about issues and starts figure pointing & calling names it is because they have lost the debate.

[Saint Marcus]

you present no defense whatsoever. And you ignored my argument entirely.

Funny. It's the same arugment the whites used in South Africa under Apartheid. You can't tell the good black from the bad black, so all blacks were kept out of certain cities or neighbourhoods.

They used the same arguments as you. Are you saying they were right to impose Apartheid? Seems like you are.

[Winston]

Racism, racism, it's all about racism isn't it.

That's probably the most devaluated word in contemporary society. The Dutch government proposes stricter immigration laws and it's racism. The Israelis set up measures to keep Arabs from taking over their land and it's racism. Men can't give birth, that's probably soon gonna be racism also.

You don't win debates by flaunting this cheapskate accusation around, you know.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Oerdin
You see my friend none of us are natives. All societies live on land that once belonged to someone else. The whole idea of "natives" is illogical.

After 1400 years, you're a native. Especially considering that most of thos Byzantine Greeks adopted Islam and Arabic and stayed. There weren't enough Arabs in the Arab pennensul to colonize all of the lands the conquered. The reason there are so many Arabs no is because people convereted. Before you go off strutting around, you might want to study Middle Eastern history in depth. Me, I'm fascinated by the stuff. I read about it all the time.