Why do canadians fight so much?

[Asher]

Do not get me started on Canadian election campaigns!

[KrazyHorse]

being civilised does not equal apathetic

while I might agree that the US is too apathetic, I refuse to beleive that is a result of the more civilised nature of our political conflicts

Jon Miller

Jon, your political parties are so close to each other that there's no reason for spirited debate. Their campaigns have nothing to do with anything of substance, because platforms have nothing to do with who gets elected in the US.

When we have a change of governments, there's a real, identifiable change in national policies.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


OK, the last presidential ellection was pretty bad, most agree with that

but the candidates still refrained from name calling and the like

Jon Miller

Are you a communist, or have you ever been a member of...

[Jon Miller]

I know many families where the parents came illegal to the US and thir kids (my age) were born here

the percentage is just going up

and while I know that the immegrants are not resposible for a lot of the crime, the assimiliation of the immegrants is still an issue (relating to culture)

also (as you know) a big issue is the problems relating to the US being heavily capitalistic

you are capitalistic also, just not as much

this part of the reason for the US higher crime rates is not an aspect of our discussion on political maturity

Jon Miller

[Asher]

I don't trust the capitalistic part.

Calgary is the most capitalistic city in Canada, and has the lowest murder rate? It's also the fastest growing.

Capitalism has nothing to do with it.

[KrazyHorse]

I know many families where the parents came illegal to the US and thir kids (my age) were born here

the percentage is just going up

Jon, they get counted eventually. Whether it's the day they step off the boat or 10 years later makes no significant difference on the measurement of immigration rates.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Tingkai


Oh come on. The attacks against Clinton were pretty vicious. Your election ads are far more below the belt than is accepted in Canada.

but our politicians do not engage in them

that is the difference between civilised behavior and uncivilised behavior, whether you do your own dirty work, or someone else does it for you (when it needs to be done)

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Asher
I don't trust the capitalistic part.

Calgary is the most capitalistic city in Canada, and has the lowest murder rate? It's also the fastest growing.

Capitalism has nothing to do with it.

it has to do with income disparity

which is the largest reason for crime and conflict in the US

Jon Miller

[KrazyHorse]

but our politicians do not engage in them

that is the difference between civilised behavior and uncivilised behavior, whether you do your own dirty work, or someone else does it for you (when it needs to be done)

Jon Miller

Like I said: false dignity. US politicians are all about style. They refuse to say what they think. Their speeches are exercises in blandness. Blech. It's duplicity.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Are you a communist, or have you ever been a member of...

hey, it took us a while to reach this level of civilised politicing

and we have farther to go (because politicing could be done with less dirty work)

but looking at the progressiong of things, you guys look like you are at where we were 137 years ago...

Jon Miller

[notyoueither]

Having it done for you is far less civilized. If the job needs doing, have some courage for your convictions. Stand up and do it your self.

[Tingkai]

One thing that this thread has shown is that while Canadians will argue a lot among themselves, when faced with a challenge from outside, we tend to band together.

[RedFred]

KH, I would disagree in part with your thoughts on US immigration. While your legalization or capture and send home idea is eventually true, it is a looking backwards way of including them. If the amount of illegals is large and growing, a forward-looking statistic will have to include them somehow in current rates.

[KrazyHorse]

hey, it took us a while to reach this level of civilised politicing

and we have farther to go (because politicing could be done with less dirty work)

but looking at the progressiong of things, you guys look like you are at where we were 137 years ago...

Jon Miller

Not at all. You're attempting to fit us into a mold that doesn't match. We aren't following your model; we're following our own.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

but our politicians do not engage in them

that is the difference between civilised behavior and uncivilised behavior, whether you do your own dirty work, or someone else does it for you (when it needs to be done)

Jon Miller

Like I said: false dignity. US politicians are all about style. They refuse to say what they think. Their speeches are exercises in blandness. Blech. It's duplicity.

they focus on the important stuff, their platform (what they think) and yes style is important in civilised discourse

the personal attacks are just saved for their associates to deliver because it would be uncivilised for them to do so

Jon Miller