Why do canadians fight so much?

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Tingkai
One thing that this thread has shown is that while Canadians will argue a lot among themselves, when faced with a challenge from outside, we tend to band together.

that was actually the point of this thread....

and to get a

Jon Miller

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by RedFred
KH, I would disagree in part with your thoughts on US immigration. While your legalization or capture and send home idea is eventually true, it is a looking backwards way of including them. If the amount of illegals is large and growing, a forward-looking statistic will have to include them somehow in current rates.

The only problem would be if they only get counted significantly later (long enough that population has grown by 20+%, for example) or if illegal immigration has spiked recently and we just haven't seen it yet. From what I understand, the illegal rate into the US has actually been declining for the last decade...

[Jon Miller]

ah well

I am going to do some reading and then to bed

bye

peace,
Jon Miller

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
but looking at the progressiong of things, you guys look like you are at where we were 137 years ago...

We're far further ahead.

We live in a country that allows for everyone to be different.

We live in a country that can yell and scream and shout at each other, but guns are never a part of political debate (except for one brief flicker that was stomped on to universal acceptance).

We do not live in a perfect country, but I sure prefer it to most of the others I've heard tell about...

But now, as to your question about why Canadians are always fighting with each other...

We're tuning up for when some non Canadian comes a callin' looking for a fight.

[RedFred]

Originally posted by Tingkai
That's a bit out of date isn't it. I thought there are less problems with gang members being allowed into Canada now a days.

For example, there is the case of a Hong Kong actor who produced and starred in the biggest local movie last year. He was denied entry into Canada because of apparent triad links.

No. Problems still exist. Another professional style hit of a East Indian gang member last week. Another huge bust of the Big Circle gang this week. Along with the HK Triads, we also have Indo-Canadian and Honduras gangs problems.

[KrazyHorse]

they focus on the important stuff, their platform (what they think) and yes style is important in civilised discourse

Your two parties are far, far, far closer together than ours are on the political spectrum. Their platforms are much less meaty, therefore, because they have less to distinguish themselves from each other.

The personal attacks are part of parliamentary democracy; they're termed "heckles", and are permissable under the rules of the House. They are a way to encourage lively debate and timely communications. Otherwise, the pols would just drone on for an hour and the discussion would never move forward. Like the situation you find in the US.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Jon Miller

I am going to do some reading and then to bed

Oh my. This is going to get ugly fast.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by RedFred


No. Problems still exist. Another professional style hit of a East Indian gang member last week. Another huge bust of the Big Circle gang this week. Along with the HK Triads, we also have Indo-Canadian and Honduras gangs problems.

Okaym but how much of that is the result of new immigrants (i.e. people who arrived in Canada in the past five years) as opposed to people who got in before?

[RedFred]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Okaym but how much of that is the result of new immigrants (i.e. people who arrived in Canada in the past five years) as opposed to people who got in before?

Er... no idea.

A recent radio [yes I know, hardly scientific evidence] program suggested that legitimate immigrants are far better screened than queue-jumpers who falsely declare refugee status. We are far more tolerant than other countries for people who throw away all their documentation on a plane flight over here, then say they are refugees and have no documentation.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Tingkai
One thing that this thread has shown is that while Canadians will argue a lot among themselves, when faced with a challenge from outside, we tend to band together.

Think about that the next time you critize Americans when some Euro writes up a troll thread. Just because Americans tend to dislike outsiders harping on an aspect of the US, doesn't mean that we follow everything dictated from mount Washington. Unless what you are doing is following some foolish national pride.

[KrazyHorse]

There's a difference. This was a blanket criticism of Canadians, not an attack on a specific policy.

If you hadn't noticed, the presence of outsiders did nothing to unite us when we were discussing policies (Kyoto and Constitutional debates spring to mind). I have no problem with a foreigner disagreeing with my government and saying so openly. He may not have the right to vote for my government, but free speech applies to all...

[KrazyHorse]

Like if I start a thread asking why Americans are so ignorant and mindlessly patriotic, I can see why you would spring to your country's defence. If I start one complaining about US foreign policy, then you should not feel irked because a damned furrener is intrudin in yer doins.

[KrazyHorse]

dp

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
There's a difference. This was a blanket criticism of Canadians, not an attack on a specific policy.

If you hadn't noticed, the presence of outsiders did nothing to unite us when we were discussing policies (Kyoto springs to mind). I have no problem with a foreigner disagreeing with my government and saying so openly. He may not have the right to vote for my government, but free speech applies to all...

It's different Sprayber. We Canadians are so much better then everyone else. What we do is a sophisticated scientific tested form of nationalism as opposed to your emotional based lower form of nationalism.

[KrazyHorse]

I can't be arsed to remember what the code is for the snore smiley.

Spray, if you can't see the difference between criticising the character of a nation and criticising the policies of a government, then you're not as bright as I gave you credit for...