Why do canadians fight so much?

[RedFred]

While I would like to believe that we are tolerant and understanding, there are other theories regarding Canadians.

A recent book compared Canada now to the US just prior to the Civil War. The author suggested that just like Dixie, Quebec is being faced with a declining portion of our total population while still trying to maintain their historical level of influence which is huge. Under this theory Quebec is on a collision course with the rest of the country. This would go part way to explaining the seemingly increasing level of regionalization and interprovincial disputes.

I hope that the author is wrong.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Asher

No, the crime RATE in major cities (Vancouver, Toronto) is still a fraction of the US major cities of the same size.

I remember being warned of Vancouver much more than I was warned of Seattle.

Some of the US issues with crime comes from growing pains because so many new people want to come here.

Jon Miller

[Asher]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
I remember being warned of Vancouver much more than I was warned of Seattle.

Some of the US issues with crime comes from growing pains because so many new people want to come here.

Jon Miller

Vancouver is one of the more crime ridden cities in Canada, but IIRC they have 1.5M people and 30-40 murders a year?

Anyway, Calgary has 1M people and 5-6 murders a year.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


but see

they want to become american

(so apparently few want to become canadians?)

Jon Miller

But that has happened because you created a national mythology.

As well, the United States was built on the idea that people could immigrate there and leave their old identities behind while accepting a new country. Canada was largely populated by British immigrants until the 1970s. These people maintained their national identities and links to Britain. The non-British immigrants, such as my ancestors, were not even accepted as Canadian citizens.

Yes, this does conflict with the question of tolerance, but this reflects the maturing of our nation. In many ways, Canadians were much less tolerant of non-British newcomers before the 1960s.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by RedFred
While I would like to believe that we are tolerant and understanding, there are other theories regarding Canadians.

A recent book compared Canada now to the US just prior to the Civil War. The author suggested that just like Dixie, Quebec is being faced with a declining portion of our total population while still trying to maintain their historical level of influence which is huge. Under this theory Quebec is on a collision course with the rest of the country. This would go part way to explaining the seemingly increasing level of regionalization and interprovincial disputes.

I hope that the author is wrong.

I would be interesting in hereing more about this

Jon Miller

[Asher]

Jon:

http://www.gunsandcrime.org/miscstdi.html

In November, 1988, the NEJM had a report on a "study" by Sloan, Kellermann, Reay, and a long list of other doctors at the U. of Washington Dept of Surgery. The report was titled "Handgun regulations, crime, assaults, and homicide: A tale of two cities." (well read, aren't they?) The study consisted of examination of rates of various types of crimes in Seattle, Washington and Vancouver, British Columbia from 1980 through 1986.
They found that Seattle had about a 16 percent higher rate of aggravated assault (i.e., with weapon or injury), but that the rate of assault with guns was about 7 times higher. The homicide rate--adjusted for age and sex but not race, economic status, or differences in health care systems--was about 1.28 to 2.08 times higher in Seattle. They reported that virtually all of the excess risk in Seattle was "explained by a 4.8-fold higher risk of being murdered with a handgun in Seattle. We conclude that restricting access to handguns may reduce the rate of homicide in a community."

[notyoueither]

The willingness to tolerate different beliefs leads to an acceptence for debate

The idiot's right.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Asher

Vancouver is one of the more crime ridden cities in Canada, but IIRC they have 1.5M people and 30-40 murders a year?

Anyway, Calgary has 1M people and 5-6 murders a year.

I think total crime is a better statistic

not murders

Jon Miller

[Asher]

Fun graphs:

Homicide rate per 100,000 people per year:

[Asher]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
I think total crime is a better statistic

not murders

Jon Miller

How do you measure total crime?

[RedFred]

An aside, but crime rates in Vancouver may be higher than anywhere else in the country. We are a major port city, so there are more drugs available. We also have relatively mild winters and as a result we are home to a disproportionate amout of transiants. Longstanding problems with Federal immigration screening has meant that several ethnic-based gangs exist and operate in Vancouver.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by notyoueither
The willingness to tolerate different beliefs leads to an acceptence for debate

The idiot's right.

we tolerate beleifs here in the south

and have debates

we just do not get as catty about it

Jon Miller

[KrazyHorse]

Jon,here's another fun fact: the population of Canada is more urbanised than the US, yet our total violent crime rate is ~80% of yours (source is the Montreal Gazette about 2 months ago).

And considering that our immigration rate is 60% higher than yours, this:

Some of the US issues with crime comes from growing pains because so many new people want to come here

is not a valid explanation.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Tingkai


But that has happened because you created a national mythology.

As well, the United States was built on the idea that people could immigrate there and leave their old identities behind while accepting a new country. Canada was largely populated by British immigrants until the 1970s. These people maintained their national identities and links to Britain. The non-British immigrants, such as my ancestors, were not even accepted as Canadian citizens.

Yes, this does conflict with the question of tolerance, but this reflects the maturing of our nation. In many ways, Canadians were much less tolerant of non-British newcomers before the 1960s.

and some day, in the future, you will reach the US's level of maturity

I think you are heading there

Jon Miller

[Tingkai]

Meanwhile in the states:

Murder rate per 100,000 people
Washington 69.3
Philly 27.4
Dallas 27.8
LA 22.8
Chicago 20.5
Pheonix 19.1
Houston 18
NY city 16.8

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/newsid_153000/153988.stm