Poles burn Jews alive - Nazi's blamed.

[Saras]

--"- I never said that Russia wants to conquer anyone (except Chechenya And you are not bear now, but a duck rather If your population will decline you will soon have as many people as Lithuania has And do not forget, that in XV, XVI century our Polish King even did not think about you puny state, because it was for them state like San Marino or Liechtenstein. Only because unfortunate Union with Lithuanians you grow in power, if we wouldn't be so stupid and conquer Lithuania instead of Union we would smash Russian Tribes without problem, and now you would talk Polish instead of Russian"

Poland conquer Lithuania in XV century! LOL! Good one, luk.

[Luk]

Poland did not aunfortunatly conquer Lithuania, but it should conquer it in XIV century. Lithuania was so weak state, with weak army, and huge terrain that it could be beaten without small problem. Lithuanian dukes conquer this massive territory almost without fight as it was virgin territory occupied by the low number of people. Polish army would have no problem with that, and Im sure that if Kazimierz the Great would have a son in 1370 year the history would be different. Poland would ally with Lithuania temporarly for smash the Teutinic Knights, then Poland would conquer and destroy Teutonic Order, after several years Poland would be so strong country with a rich lands of Pommerania that it would easly conquer pathetic Lithuania, maybe with a little support of Moscow. Then Poland would vassalize Moscow states, and for centuries Poland would be the one major country in this region.

[Serb]

Skywalker.... where are you little bull****er? Come here boy, becouse now Emire will strike back.
Episode I.

Well, I have 20 years old and I study law at 300 years old Wroclaw University

So, I was right and you are young sucker. 20 are a little older then 17, I guess your teenager’s stage is a bit longer then all normal people have.

I won;t answer to you pathetic speech and yelling that Im Nazi because it is a prove that you have no arguments, and like you exciting like a little boy

No. It’s because you have nothing to say, you are a nazi, who believe in supremacy of your nationality. And who hate all Russians, only because they are Russians.

-It is a pity that our arms are Russian design, because it is a bunch of crap and unusefull metal. Russian technics of creating weapons is very poor.

Russian weapon technologies are poor?
Sure, it’s a stupid claim of ignorant teenager, but even so, (only hypothetically) poor technologies are much better then absence of technologies. And why do you think that Poland could win a war against Russia, if your army consists of the same weaponry but only of obsolete models?

We create very good pistols, very good Machine pistols, and Rifles, much better from yours.

Polish rifles? Name me one, SINGLE Polish rifle, which is known on World arms market or which even slightly close to our examples.

We modified T-72 to PT-91 Twardy standard, which won few months ago the contract to Malysia beating even T-90 and T-80

You modified? The only modification you are able to make it’s to paint it into different color.
Malysia??? Oh you should be proud. Btw, where the f*ck is it? I don’t know such country. Why you didn’t say that you sold a tunnel to penguins of Antarctica?
And if you mean your deal with Malaysia, then tell your bullsh!t story to someone else, because it smells very bad. It was an American Abrams that was beaten by “your” tank, not our T-80. They bought a low quality fake of our old T-72 and paid a bigger cost for it, then the cost of the most expensive modern American tank. Isn’t it strange? Perhaps, people in Malaysia who were responsible for this decision received ‘small gifts’ from your “businessman”. Such gifts usually called a bribe.

"It is like with jeans... When you can not buy original jeans of Levis, you walk to Russians on the marketplace in Poland and buy from them a cheap tandeta"

When you want to buy a real tank you go to Russians and buy T-80U. When you need low quality fake you go to Poles and buy their fake of our T-72. And btw, Russia is flooded by cheap Polish “Levis”.

After 95 you have invented almost anything. Your "new" things" are from Soviet times. etc. etc.

Since 95 we invented more weaponry then you invented in your entire history. If I’ll start to post the names of all new inventions, it will require a lot of space and time and unfortunately I don’t know entire list, because it’s huge. But I can enlighten you about the most well known examples of Russian weaponry of recent years: SU-30, SU-47, T-95, “Black Eagle”, modifications of T-80 and T-90, “Arena”, various “PTURS”, various models of assault rifles, etc, etc.

You are second largest arms dealer because your products buy countries which can not afford or can't buy from political purposes Western weapons.

Aside you, we are able to and we like to create weapons. Our own original weapons, the weapons which chosen by specialists of many countries of the world. The real professionals always prefer to buy an original, then to buy fake, fake like yours “T-91” or like your fake jeans. That’s why we are second World’s arms dealer, while you just have a single contract with Malaysia and feel idiotic euphoria because you signed it.

Heh... You live in Russia and even do not know about last "action" of Russian Soldiers. They stealed BMP-1 at night and drive it in the store where vodka was sold only because they wanted to drink it.

Yes, I live in Russia and I don’t know about this. Perhaps because it’s a bullsh!t story created by guys like you who hate Russia and do their best to portray us as bad as possible. Give me a link.

Russian soldiers are not famous of being good. During II WW you won because of numbers not quality.

I have only one word for you- “MUDILO”. You should remember it, because if you ever be in Russia or will have conversation with Russians, it’s how they will call you. It describes you very well… No, it should be an “ungrateful MUDILO”. If millions of Russian soldiers didn’t sacrificed their lives in war against fascism, perhaps today Luk wasn’t known as “ungrateful mudilo”, because he wasn’t born. Because in that case, your entire country was now populated by Hitler’s offspring and your nation was completely exterminated.
Skywalker, you are a typical brainwashed piece of ignorance. You believe in stupid stereotypes about WW2, because for nazi like you, sure the idea that Russians won this war because of numbers sounds very cool. But, if you weren’t such an ignorant fool, you could find some data about WW2 and could compare the numbers of soldiers in Soviet army and in Nazi army. In this case I guess you could be surprised, because you could find that f.e. in 1941 Germany have on Russian front a 2 millions soldiers more then Soviets have, and in later years numbers were approximately equal (about six millions at the same time from both sides) or f.e. that overall soldiers casualties of both countries in this war is approximately equal and was about ten millions of soldiers from both sides. Sure, nazi killed millions of Soviet civilians during occupation, but it makes no honor for them.

And most of Polish-Russian conflicts finished in Polish victory,

Piece of pure bullsh!t. That’s why your “superior” country was part of Russian Empire for 126 years? Because you won most of conflicts? You was crushed and conquered by us, not otherwise.

even in 1920 year, where we was in the state of creating our country and army after 123 years of occupation.

When we were in revolution chaos, when we were in war with dozen of countries and when we have a civil war?
It’s a great victory of yours, no doubt. The only thing you are able to do is just to make cowardly attacks when we are weakened because of external or internal reasons. That’s how it was in 1919 and that’s how it was in XVII century, when we were in the same chaos, because our tsar died without heir and Russia wasn’t controlled. That’s all you can do- a cowardly attacks when Russia is in temporal weakness. Great, your victories are amazing.

In XVII century, the army of one Polish Nobleman (sic!) conquered Moscow you were so pathetic.

Why you don’t continue your story about fate of his army? Perhaps, it is because he shared the fate of Napoleon and Hitler? You were wiped out from our lands as Napoleon and Hitler’s army later. You were running like beaten dogs, when Russian united in war against foreign invaders. And you are so proud about this? Idiot.
Perhaps someday you will realize the thing, which on of American generals realized long ago: “There is only three stages of military stupidity- stupid, very stupid, and invade Russia”.

I never said that Russia wants to conquer anyone (except Chechenya And you are not bear now, but a duck rather

If you was born as bear you will remain bear and never reincarnate into something new as long as you alive. And we are not dead yet, just wounded. We was wounded many times during our history, but always healed ourselves.

If your population will decline you will soon have as many people as Lithuania has…

Keep dreaming about this, you stinking nazi.

And do not forget, that in XV, XVI century our Polish King even did not think about you puny state, because it was for them state like San Marino or Liechtenstein. Only because unfortunate Union with Lithuanians you grow in power, if we wouldn't be so stupid and conquer Lithuania instead of Union we would smash Russian Tribes without problem, and now you would talk Polish instead of Russian

Put your silly excuses in your nazi’s as$. You are the puny state for us NOW. You full of hatred toward us, because you are unable to admit that Russians created much more stronger, bigger and greater civilization then you are.

We want to buy F-16 with a possibility to by F-35 for several years, that is good for me,

It is absolutely clear for me that in everything what consider weaponry you are an absolutely ignorant. Today Americans sold their F-16 to everyone in hurry, because this plane is obsolete now. They chosen “Raptor” as their new main fighter, it should replace F-16 soon. And all those F-16 will be sold to countries like you are who has no technologies and capabilities to produce their own planes and who has no choice, but to buy old “second hand”.

because F16 is checked plane, and Russian MiGs never destroyed any F16 in fight, but F16 destoyed many Russians MiG. And do not forget that F-35 is far, far, far away from F-16 technicaly.

F-16 wasn’t widely used in action, because it relatively expensive plane. And it never meet in action with equal modification of MIG piloted by Russian pilot. I guess old, non-upgraded versions of Migs like you have in your army since Warsaw pact’s times is really not a problem for last modification of F-16. But, I’ll tell you one secret. They are not a problem for last modification of Mig too. The modern weapon craft has a tendency to enhance planes with the new systems. If you took an old “Mig” or for example “Tornado” or F-16 and replace its avionics, weapons, etc. it will be absolutely new plane with the same aerodynamics, but with different battle capabilities. The aerodynamics of Russian planes is the best in the World and I don’t need to prove it. And it is very serious advantage of our planes in compare with American planes, because in perspective you could change everything, all internal system of plane, but you’ll never change its aerodynamic.

And do not forget that F-35 is far, far, far away from F-16 technicaly.

Enlighten me please about this mysterious plane.

[Serb]

episode II,

German Tank it is Leo 2A4, not newest, but better from all Russian types of T-72, T-80, and I think better then T-90.

You think. Considering that you are a piece of sh!t as an expert your opinion don’t worth much.

Better cannon,

Cannon with bigger caliber, with good ammo, good firing range. As I said earlier, it’s a good cannon.
Disadvantages: Very big turret, because of its big silhouette it is much easier to hit turret. Absence of automatic loader- slower reloading time and need of on additional member of crew to load cannon. Lesser amount of shells.

better survivability,

It has a survivability of last century. Its only means of defense is passive defense- armor; smoke launchers and the usual stuff as fire extinguish system and protection from NBC weapons. It’s usual defense for all tanks last 30 years.

Our tanks have those means of passive defense too, but we also have an active defense-the defense of the future. Future for Western tanks, but present for us. The US engineers just making their first steps in this direction, while we use for a long time.
The active defense of Russian tanks include such system as: active defense system ”Arena” which shoot down incoming shells or missiles seconds before they hit tank, Optical jamming complex “Shtora” and various types of Explosive Reactive Armor (ERA).
Considering that Russian tanks have lower silhouette and a higher maneuverability, which is a part of tank’s overall survivability too, your claim about better survivability of Leopard 2a4 in compare with last models of Russian tanks I consider as pure bullsh!t of ignorant fool.

better created,

better created?
It was very funny. I don’t know such characteristic of tank.

better electronics, optics etc. etc.

Old electronics (of course only if Germans installed it for you at all). The same for optics.

And you have not any of T80 and almost no T90, and your T72 are pathetic, old, and one word - a piece of rubbish

We have many T-80, if you mean T-80U then it’s an model for export. And T-90 is our main battle tank. So again your claims are bullsh!t, of course if the “line main battle tank” is tells you something.

Well, even if it is the best finansed part of your army it is far too less money for supporting 6000 warheads. I think now you support 1500-2000, and all other are freezed.

It calls- “I saw the smoke, but don’t know where is fire”
The numbers you mentioned are from official treaties about nukes reductions, signed between Russia and USA. In accordance with previous agreement both sides should have no more then 6000 warheads. Not so long ago we signed new treaty and now both sides should reduce their potential to 2000 warheads.

Your submarines almost don't swim, they are in ports and they grow rusty. Your system of controls are bery old and in very bad shape, your radar stations are almost all turned off. You have problems with mantaining 1-2 sattelites still working etc. etc. Look www.fas.org.

Wow, what a nightmare, apocalypse now. Why we are still not conquered? Go and try something against us, if you have balls of course.

Do I have to qoute ????

No, you don’t need to. If I would like to find some kind of bullsh!t story about us, written by guys like you are I will find it myself. 2 sattelites?

And do not forget that we are in NATO, one nuke throw in our territory, and you will have the same

You are so brave!!! Go and give a blow-job to your new masters or they might forget about you if the X-hour will ever happen.

- Why... Look to Athlas, if you have one

Now young jedi, you realize that you should do the same. Look into atlas, young Skywalker. Try to find Kazakhstan or Armenia and then explain to me- why do you think Kazakhstan goes toward EU and could be included in EU, while Chad couldn’t be included?

- I said it after you said that in Baltic States you have 30-40% minorities

Try to prove otherwise. What do you expected that they an ethnically homogenous countries? They were part of Russian Empire since the early XVIII century. Sure, during last years a lot of Russians emigrated from there, but a lot of them still live there.

- We will give them the gate to the democratic world, to the UE, and to NATO:0

Excellent. “The best of Luk’s bullsh!t stories Vol.3”.
Do you realize what type of sh!t you just said? Gate to democratic world?

150 mln is in your dreams And you forgot Brasil, Pakistan, Mexico, etc. Nigeria, Japan, and few more countries are almost equal...

A little less then 150 mlns(149 not 144 as you think) in reality, not in my dreams. And I’m not sure about Pakistan, Brazil and others have lesser population. Do a basic research about this and prove your claims. And anyway I don’t know what are you trying to say. That 150 mlns it's a small population?

And as I said... You have 30 mld$ of investitions of foreign capital, and Poland has over 60 mld$. Thats a quite big difference of interesting foreigners of Poland and Russia.

Go and by you another medal “the best zone for investments”. Aside you, we are self-sufficient country and have all needed resources. And we are able to survive in full isolation if needed. What would you do if we’ll close the oil pipe, gas pipe and cut off you from our power plants?

I want to live in a free, rich and democratic country, which has no ICBMs, then in poor, semi-free, and authoritarian country where vodka is a symbol of happines.

And I want to live where I live now. In democratic country which have ICBM, which have spaceships, which is the member of UN Security Council, which have weight in Worlds politics and which is the largest country on this planet, then to live in annoying country of traders who are whining al the time that they where unable to become something more then just a country of greedy traders during their history. Who is jealous and mad that Russians were more successful then them.

- Well, this submarine is not so good as you describe - it is very noisy, far noisy then Western counterparts, and is developed technically in SU. And I do not think that this boat will be often leaving its port.

Idioto. You doesn’t know what are you talking about. It have the LOWEST noise level, it’s much silent then any American submarine. Go and find some info about “Typhoon” class or ask an expert as GP f.e.
And as I said it was build month ago in Russian Federation, not in SU. (and btw it’s not the only submarine which was constructed since 1991, but only the last one) And it already leaved its port.

And as I said now... It is far outdated now, when USA has Seawolfs and Virginia class boats

Outdated? No match for Seawolf and Virginia?
The submarines of “Typhoon” class are the most feared submarines for Americans. They have NOTHING, NOTHING equal in their fleet.
“Seawolf” in compare with “Typoon” it’s like Pentium2 in compare with Pentium4.

Bush do not have to deal with you with anything. You have to deal with him to grow your economy, and you do all things to do such a things. You let them into bases of former republics,

To let them do the dirty work in Afghanistan, the work we should have done. Destroying the Taliban they done a job that serves to OUR national interests and they even pay for this. As for me, it’s a nice deal for Russia.

you let NATO expanse,

And furthermore we are planning to join the NATO ourselves.

you let them into Georgia...

Who? A hundred of instructors? Who will teach Georgians how to fight against terrorists, our common enemies? I don’t see how it hurts our national interests.

You are vassal, sad but true

We are allies with USA. First time since WW2 we allied again in war against common enemy- terrorism. They need us no less then we need them.

But we are closer vassals and we have profits with it much more bigger then you

Go buy yourself another medal- “favorite vassal of Uncle Sam”. Yes, you are true vassals. Pathetic coyote.

Yes but even in that Hollywood movies they do not drink vodka to breakfast, lunch, dinner, and supper, and to be more honest, the breakfast, lunch, dinner and supper are only addition to vodka

I saw it long ago but I don’t remember that this movie is a alcoholic’s festival. If he was drunk all the time, when he investigated murder of his parents? Anyway it’s just a movie and you are just an idiot who believe that everything you could see in the movie is true. Perhaps, you believe in existence of Santa Claus too?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Luk
Well... Ukraine has more common with Poland then with Russians. Ukraine started to be under Russian control since XVII century, and in XIX, and XX century Ukraine was conquered by Russians. Russians always wanted ro rusificate this territory, but as their culture is rather poor "colonoization" of Ukraine was not so easy. Still many Ukrainians are a bit nationalistic, antirussian and directed toward Western, Latin civilization. I have to say that Ukraine was in Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth longer time then under Russian control. Almost all cultural achievments are from that times.

Poor cultures usually born people like you are- stinking nazis. I'm tired of your bullsh!t stories.

And dear Americans... remember that we, Poles are your friends because we want it, and Russians are your friend because they must. And we Poles always were your friends, even when our country had to cooperate with Soviet Union.

What a pathetic picture: a loyal whore doing a blow-job to its master.
“dear Americans”
As I said earlier you are typical coyote Luk.


Americans,
took a free advice and never have any deal with such people. Today they are ready to kiss your ass, but tomorrow they will sell you for 30 silver coins.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Luk
Poland did not aunfortunatly conquer Lithuania, but it should conquer it in XIV century. Lithuania was so weak state, with weak army, and huge terrain that it could be beaten without small problem. Lithuanian dukes conquer this massive territory almost without fight as it was virgin territory occupied by the low number of people. Polish army would have no problem with that, and Im sure that if Kazimierz the Great would have a son in 1370 year the history would be different. Poland would ally with Lithuania temporarly for smash the Teutinic Knights, then Poland would conquer and destroy Teutonic Order, after several years Poland would be so strong country with a rich lands of Pommerania that it would easly conquer pathetic Lithuania, maybe with a little support of Moscow. Then Poland would vassalize Moscow states, and for centuries Poland would be the one major country in this region.

You are paranoid. You are seriously sick and I guess you are hopeless.
Sick little furer.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Luk
Poland did not aunfortunatly conquer Lithuania, but it should conquer it in XIV century. Lithuania was so weak state, with weak army, and huge terrain that it could be beaten without small problem. Lithuanian dukes conquer this massive territory almost without fight as it was virgin territory occupied by the low number of people. Polish army would have no problem with that, and Im sure that if Kazimierz the Great would have a son in 1370 year the history would be different. Poland would ally with Lithuania temporarly for smash the Teutinic Knights, then Poland would conquer and destroy Teutonic Order, after several years Poland would be so strong country with a rich lands of Pommerania that it would easly conquer pathetic Lithuania, maybe with a little support of Moscow. Then Poland would vassalize Moscow states, and for centuries Poland would be the one major country in this region.

You said you are a student of law? Don't they teach you history? I pity your future clients...

[Serb]

If he will have any. More likely he will soon become a client of sanitarium.

[Luk]

So, I was right and you are young sucker. 20 are a little older then 17, I guess your teenager’s stage is a bit longer then all normal people have.
- I do not ask you for age because as Russian it does not matter, you are all so stupid in all stages of live

No. It’s because you have nothing to say, you are a nazi, who believe in supremacy of your nationality. And who hate all Russians, only because they are Russians.
- I do not belive in supremacy of my nationality other all other nationalities... Only Russian

"Russian weapon technologies are poor?
Sure, it’s a stupid claim of ignorant teenager, but even so, (only hypothetically) poor technologies are much better then absence of technologies. And why do you think that Poland could win a war against Russia, if your army consists of the same weaponry but only of obsolete models?"
- Because we have much well trained soldiers, and better mantained arms, barracks, garrisons. It is because we spend much more dlrs per person then you do. And because you have obsolete models in your army too
And I did not say Russian technology is poor but a quality of manufracturing them is poor. My uncle Colonel of Polish army said that when we recived new MiGs from you, every plane was different. One was made good, and 2 was made with lacks and after first flight it had to be repaired. They were useful very short time without repairs. And it was with all of your weapons. Your technology of production is far behind western technology, and you almost all do manually. Every single plane, tank etc. is different... Pathetic

"You modified? The only modification you are able to make it’s to paint it into different color.
Malysia??? Oh you should be proud. Btw, where the f*ck is it? I don’t know such country. Why you didn’t say that you sold a tunnel to penguins of Antarctica?
And if you mean your deal with Malaysia, then tell your bullsh!t story to someone else, because it smells very bad. It was an American Abrams that was beaten by “your” tank, not our T-80. They bought a low quality fake of our old T-72 and paid a bigger cost for it, then the cost of the most expensive modern American tank. Isn’t it strange? Perhaps, people in Malaysia who were responsible for this decision received ‘small gifts’ from your “businessman”. Such gifts usually called a bribe. "
- Well, Malysia is much more richer country then Russia, and people live in much more better quality then in Russia, and it is near Indonesia, and country which every inteligent person should know where lies. And I do not know why Malysia choosed us, and I do not think we are richer or more impoertant then Americans.

"When you want to buy a real tank you go to Russians and buy T-80U. When you need low quality fake you go to Poles and buy their fake of our T-72. And btw, Russia is flooded by cheap Polish “Levis”. "
- No... That jeans are produced in your illegal (or legal) factories in Russia

"Since 95 we invented more weaponry then you invented in your entire history. If I’ll start to post the names of all new inventions, it will require a lot of space and time and unfortunately I don’t know entire list, because it’s huge. But I can enlighten you about the most well known examples of Russian weaponry of recent years: SU-30, SU-47, T-95, “Black Eagle”, modifications of T-80 and T-90, “Arena”, various “PTURS”, various models of assault rifles, etc, etc. "
- Ok... Su-30 was developed before 95, Su-47 is only prototype and many says it does not perform the standards of modern warfare, T-95 does exist on paper, T-80UM2 is a one big question because it was shown, but it is not going to be fielded into army, and there is no indications that its specifications will be so good. T-80, and T-90 was developed before 95 (second as I remember in 92). And one thing you have done good is the active defender system, I must admit.

"Aside you, we are able to and we like to create weapons. Our own original weapons, the weapons which chosen by specialists of many countries of the world. The real professionals always prefer to buy an original, then to buy fake, fake like yours “T-91” or like your fake jeans. That’s why we are second World’s arms dealer, while you just have a single contract with Malaysia and feel idiotic euphoria because you signed it. "
- Well, but you base on the technology of SU, and you only modificate its... There is almost nothing new. And Poland did not want to be arms seller, because we do not specialize in weaponry. It is simple. We specialize in a good economy. And I think it is better to live in country with good economy, then with good army

"Yes, I live in Russia and I don’t know about this. Perhaps because it’s a bullsh!t story created by guys like you who hate Russia and do their best to portray us as bad as possible. Give me a link. "
- It was about month ago... on www.russiajournal.com

"I have only one word for you- “MUDILO”. You should remember it, because if you ever be in Russia or will have conversation with Russians, it’s how they will call you. It describes you very well… No, it should be an “ungrateful MUDILO”. If millions of Russian soldiers didn’t sacrificed their lives in war against fascism, perhaps today Luk wasn’t known as “ungrateful mudilo”, because he wasn’t born. Because in that case, your entire country was now populated by Hitler’s offspring and your nation was completely exterminated.
Skywalker, you are a typical brainwashed piece of ignorance. You believe in stupid stereotypes about WW2, because for nazi like you, sure the idea that Russians won this war because of numbers sounds very cool. But, if you weren’t such an ignorant fool, you could find some data about WW2 and could compare the numbers of soldiers in Soviet army and in Nazi army. In this case I guess you could be surprised, because you could find that f.e. in 1941 Germany have on Russian front a 2 millions soldiers more then Soviets have, and in later years numbers were approximately equal (about six millions at the same time from both sides) or f.e. that overall soldiers casualties of both countries in this war is approximately equal and was about ten millions of soldiers from both sides. Sure, nazi killed millions of Soviet civilians during occupation, but it makes no honor for them. "

-Im very grateful that you defeat Fascizm, but facts are that you won only because numbers... read something more then Russian historic books which are a bit nationalistic... But Im mad because you killed 15000 Polish officers in Katyn, Miednoye by a single shot in a back head, Im mad because you vassalized us and enslaved us for over 40 years without our support. Im mad because many people have died because of communistic system which you developed for us and for all of suffer during this period

"Piece of pure bullsh!t. That’s why your “superior” country was part of Russian Empire for 126 years? Because you won most of conflicts? You was crushed and conquered by us, not otherwise."
- You did not conquer as by military, but with three other states politically, because our Noblemans degenerated in XVIII century so much... And that is because we thought we are best in the world and we do not need any reforms etc... In battles usually Russians were beaten... I can easly prove it

"When we were in revolution chaos, when we were in war with dozen of countries and when we have a civil war?
It’s a great victory of yours, no doubt. The only thing you are able to do is just to make cowardly attacks when we are weakened because of external or internal reasons. That’s how it was in 1919 and that’s how it was in XVII century, when we were in the same chaos, because our tsar died without heir and Russia wasn’t controlled. That’s all you can do- a cowardly attacks when Russia is in temporal weakness. Great, your victories are amazing."

- We were as I said in worser situation, because we had no country for 123 years, and we had to build its own structures etc. etc. in XVII century, and before you were much more weaker country, you started to be more powerfull from XVIII century... So in history, we are more powerfull longer then Russia. You are not in temporal weakness, you are in permanent weakness now... Your great times finished as our great times finished two centiries ago

"Why you don’t continue your story about fate of his army? Perhaps, it is because he shared the fate of Napoleon and Hitler? You were wiped out from our lands as Napoleon and Hitler’s army later. You were running like beaten dogs, when Russian united in war against foreign invaders. And you are so proud about this? Idiot.
Perhaps someday you will realize the thing, which on of American generals realized long ago: “There is only three stages of military stupidity- stupid, very stupid, and invade Russia”. "
- Well... I said about 1604... in 1611 it was second time when we conquer Moscow and then it was our King... Not nobleman And we would maybe create an Union with Russia, but your Boyars offered son of our King a throne with one condiction... He had to change religion to Orthodox... Our Polish King was not so interested in your throne then, and he was very catholic so he refused... And after year we had to get back, because of uprising. It shows only that in XVII century Russia was not a partner for us... Unfortunatly because if our king would be more wise we could then smash Russia then, and polonize...

"If you was born as bear you will remain bear and never reincarnate into something new as long as you alive. And we are not dead yet, just wounded. We was wounded many times during our history, but always healed ourselves. "

- You are not bear, you are duck

"Put your silly excuses in your nazi’s as$. You are the puny state for us NOW. You full of hatred toward us, because you are unable to admit that Russians created much more stronger, bigger and greater civilization then you are. "
- What civilization... Compare our culture, manners etc with yours... Your culture is limited to vodka, and few poets, like Dostojewski (even he has Polish origin). That is all. That is why we Poles never ever accepted your domination over us in XIX century. We were more civilised, we felt the part of Western, Latin Christian Civilization, you were alwas a hordes of Mongols and Barbarians, and only by force you dominate over us...

"It is absolutely clear for me that in everything what consider weaponry you are an absolutely ignorant. Today Americans sold their F-16 to everyone in hurry, because this plane is obsolete now. They chosen “Raptor” as their new main fighter, it should replace F-16 soon. And all those F-16 will be sold to countries like you are who has no technologies and capabilities to produce their own planes and who has no choice, but to buy old “second hand”. "
- Yes... I know that we are buying not newest equipment, but we will but for a several years F-35 JSF.

"F-16 wasn’t widely used in action, because it relatively expensive plane. And it never meet in action with equal modification of MIG piloted by Russian pilot. I guess old, non-upgraded versions of Migs like you have in your army since Warsaw pact’s times is really not a problem for last modification of F-16. But, I’ll tell you one secret. They are not a problem for last modification of Mig too. The modern weapon craft has a tendency to enhance planes with the new systems. If you took an old “Mig” or for example “Tornado” or F-16 and replace its avionics, weapons, etc. it will be absolutely new plane with the same aerodynamics, but with different battle capabilities. The aerodynamics of Russian planes is the best in the World and I don’t need to prove it. And it is very serious advantage of our planes in compare with American planes, because in perspective you could change everything, all internal system of plane, but you’ll never change its aerodynamic. "
- Aerodynamics are now not important as now dogfighting system of air warfare is obsolete. You have problems with radars, electronics, etc. and Western planes shoot down all of your fighters before they notice they are in danger. You have very poor AWACS (A-50) and very poor coordination of airsystems...

"Enlighten me please about this mysterious plane"
- It is F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the newest American Plane...

"Cannon with bigger caliber, with good ammo, good firing range. As I said earlier, it’s a good cannon.
Disadvantages: Very big turret, because of its big silhouette it is much easier to hit turret. Absence of automatic loader- slower reloading time and need of on additional member of crew to load cannon. Lesser amount of shells. "
- Rheinmetal guns are far more powerfull then your poor 125mm 2A46 models... And that is true. Your guns have a problem with penetrate the armour of Most modern tanks now, and for sure Leo 2A4. Absence of automatic loader means nothing, as many think that it is worser idea then manually loader. Only French uses automatic loader, and other countries resigned from that. And in that times Western Tanks has much more better fire control then your tanks and even with your lower silthouette you tanks are easy target because of great fire controle, electronics and stabilizers.

"It has a survivability of last century. Its only means of defense is passive defense- armor; smoke launchers and the usual stuff as fire extinguish system and protection from NBC weapons. It’s usual defense for all tanks last 30 years.

Our tanks have those means of passive defense too, but we also have an active defense-the defense of the future. Future for Western tanks, but present for us. The US engineers just making their first steps in this direction, while we use for a long time.
The active defense of Russian tanks include such system as: active defense system ”Arena” which shoot down incoming shells or missiles seconds before they hit tank, Optical jamming complex “Shtora” and various types of Explosive Reactive Armor (ERA).
Considering that Russian tanks have lower silhouette and a higher maneuverability, which is a part of tank’s overall survivability too, your claim about better survivability of Leopard 2a4 in compare with last models of Russian tanks I consider as pure bullsh!t of ignorant fool."
- Yes I must admit it is an advantage, but as I said, 125mm 2A46M A/B - the newsest guns of Russian tanks have low penetrate level of their SABOT ammo, and German Tanks do not need better protection. And 3-4 shoots from Rheinmetal L44/55 gun and your ERA will not help you. And silthouette is now no important as fire control systems upgraded so much.

" better created?
It was very funny. I don’t know such characteristic of tank. "

- Better created I say Better manufractured, many of your tanks are bad made in factories, which uses old systems of manifracturing tanks.

"Old electronics (of course only if Germans installed it for you at all). The same for optics. "
- You have generally old optics and obsolete electronics in almost all of your tanks. Your new modernisations are only for export, and are not implemented to your own tanks because of lack of funds

"We have many T-80, if you mean T-80U then it’s an model for export. And T-90 is our main battle tank. So again your claims are bullsh!t, of course if the “line main battle tank” is tells you something. "
- You produce now T-90 only for export... And you have only 200-300 of then in army, and your all T-80 are old, and are on par with Leo1, and M60

"It calls- “I saw the smoke, but don’t know where is fire”
The numbers you mentioned are from official treaties about nukes reductions, signed between Russia and USA. In accordance with previous agreement both sides should have no more then 6000 warheads. Not so long ago we signed new treaty and now both sides should reduce their potential to 2000 warheads. "
- Go on www.fas.org and read there about your Nuclear Forces state

Wow, what a nightmare, apocalypse now. Why we are still not conquered? Go and try something against us, if you have balls of course. "

- We do not need anything to do with you... We let you drunk to death and then we think what to do

-Now young jedi, you realize that you should do the same. Look into atlas, young Skywalker. Try to find Kazakhstan or Armenia and then explain to me- why do you think Kazakhstan goes toward EU and could be included in EU, while Chad couldn’t be included?
- Because Armenia is a more European country then Asian. its history and civilization is more European then Asiatic... See football. Armenia is in UEFA

"Try to prove otherwise. What do you expected that they an ethnically homogenous countries? They were part of Russian Empire since the early XVIII century. Sure, during last years a lot of Russians emigrated from there, but a lot of them still live there. "

- But 30-40% is a big error. In Luthuania around 7-8%

"A little less then 150 mlns(149 not 144 as you think) in reality, not in my dreams. And I’m not sure about Pakistan, Brazil and others have lesser population. Do a basic research about this and prove your claims. And anyway I don’t know what are you trying to say. That 150 mlns it's a small population? "
- You even do not know population of your country. Go to www.worldbank.com or wherevere western site want and see that it is 144 mlns... in 2000, now I heard its 142 mlns

Pakistan - 138 mlns in 2000, but has grow 2.2%, now it has for sure more then Russia
Brasil - 170 mln people
Nigeria - 126 mlns ppl - and growth 2.6%...
Russia - 144 mlns - decline by 0.5%/year

I say Russia has average number of people, not so big to be a superpower ever.

"Go and by you another medal “the best zone for investments”. Aside you, we are self-sufficient country and have all needed resources. And we are able to survive in full isolation if needed. What would you do if we’ll close the oil pipe, gas pipe and cut off you from our power plants?"
- Then we would bring gas from Norway, and bring gas from Saudi Arabia... And then you would be cutted from export of oil and billions of dollars and you would starve, and your economy would collapse and you would eat grass, like self-sufficient North Korea

"And I want to live where I live now. In democratic country which have ICBM, which have spaceships, which is the member of UN Security Council, which have weight in Worlds politics and which is the largest country on this planet, then to live in annoying country of traders who are whining al the time that they where unable to become something more then just a country of greedy traders during their history. Who is jealous and mad that Russians were more successful then them. "
- I do not care if my country has a permanent seat in UN, ICBMS or is a largest in the world... I care about my standard of live, that how I live, and how happy I live... And the standard of live in Poland is much more better then in Russia

" Idioto. You doesn’t know what are you talking about. It have the LOWEST noise level, it’s much silent then any American submarine. Go and find some info about “Typhoon” class or ask an expert as GP f.e.
And as I said it was build month ago in Russian Federation, not in SU. (and btw it’s not the only submarine which was constructed since 1991, but only the last one) And it already leaved its port"
- You are funny. Your boats have lower noise level then predecessors but still big. In compare of Seawolf or Virginia class SSN it is like Pentium IV and 386... It even can not match with new Los Angeles class submarines. It is a good submarine for 80's little to old for 90s and obsolete for this millenium

[Luk]

"To let them do the dirty work in Afghanistan, the work we should have done. Destroying the Taliban they done a job that serves to OUR national interests and they even pay for this. As for me, it’s a nice deal for Russia. "
- Yes... you tried for 10 years that what America done in a month And you were defeat

"And furthermore we are planning to join the NATO ourselves"
- We will see. As in NATO there is a rule of consensus you will need an aporoval from Polish Parliament

"Who? A hundred of instructors? Who will teach Georgians how to fight against terrorists, our common enemies? I don’t see how it hurts our national interests. "

- Yes... It is official... Unofficial... Americans take control of the influence on this territory, and you give them back like a good puppy vassal

"We are allies with USA. First time since WW2 we allied again in war against common enemy- terrorism. They need us no less then we need them. "

-They would do everything the same without you, and you do all you can because you need America to grow

"Go buy yourself another medal- “favorite vassal of Uncle Sam”. Yes, you are true vassals. Pathetic coyote."
- Yes, we are vassal as you are vassal. But we are better vassal, and that is why we live in better standard, and we will live in better standard for next many years. And your prostitues and whores (a lot of them are in Poland, and they are sucking good) will be sucking our dicks not yours, because you have no money for that

"I saw it long ago but I don’t remember that this movie is a alcoholic’s festival. If he was drunk all the time, when he investigated murder of his parents? Anyway it’s just a movie and you are just an idiot who believe that everything you could see in the movie is true. Perhaps, you believe in existence of Santa Claus too?"

- Well... That film showed a life as it is... For you drink a vodka on breakfast is normal...

[Serb]

Originally posted by Luk
- I do not ask you for age because as Russian it does not matter, you are all so stupid in all stages of live
- I do not belive in supremacy of my nationality other all other nationalities... Only Russian

Hitler could be proud of you. I’m tired of your bullsh!t, your lie, your ignorance and stupidity. I don’t want to waste my time on talk with such stupid nazi as you are. Who think that Dostoevsky was a poet and who do not know how to type Malaysia. You should be more concentrated when you typing your lie on English. Sometimes your bulls!t stories is hard to understand.

F*ck off, nazi

and have a nice day.

[Luk]

Learn more English... Maybe you will be understand what im saying. But of course everybody know that you stopped this disscusion because of lack of your arguments. Pathetic Russian Scum - you prooved you are uneducated, and your ancestors were Mongols