An Unborn Child is in Fact, Human

[Robert]

- I'm totally pro gun control. I'm dutch, I'm not from the states with strange hypocrit ideas and morals. I agree with you that it's stupidous to forbit abortion but don't accept gun control.

- Sava, I agree that this world is sick. We do nothing to (at least overhere in The Netherlands) to teach teenagers the responsibilities that come with sex, but all we do is free the way for them to do what they want to do. I still disagree, pherhaps there are people who get children who're not responsible to have them, but even in that case you can make parents happy who want children but can't get them.

- Urban Ranger, silly excuse, because you talk about organisms that do not exist yet. I talk about organisms that actually do exist and which lives are cuted.

- Richelieu, deciding on your own life is a good thing, but not when everybody makes their own standards about good and evil, and that's actually the thing that makes a mess in this world.

[Robert]

Speaking of hypocrisy, anti-abortionists firebombs clinic and shoot doctors.

you're right, those are hypocrits.
I completely am against all of this.

[Richelieu]

I don't bomb clinics or shoot doctors. And i'm not an American but i think gun control is a good thing.
And i still think abortion is wrong.

[Gibsie]

A hypocrite would also allow women to use morning-after-pills whilst denying them abortions. Looks like you qualify CyberShy!

[Robert]

The Morning afterpill does prevent conception.
It can't kill a phoetus.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

Anything that constitutes intentionally ending the life in a human being is murder

Go get a law book.

That's exactly what pro-lifers are fighting against: The law.

[Jaakko]

For the pro-life folks:

Since you want to make abortion illegal, what should be the proper punishment for doing such a deed?

What should be done with pregnant women who want an abortion regardless of the law forbidding it?

[Jac de Molay]

Until the US begins to realistically address issues of sex and birth in our society, where sex is marketed like an opiate, abortion should remain legal. There is simply no way the current foster care system could handle the influx of unwanted or unintended children born into the system. Child Protection and Foster services are horrible enough as it is.

Plus if abortions were made illegal, a public health nightmare would ensue with women seeking out back-alley abortions. This would especially hurt the lower income and working class people who couldnt get safe "illegal" care or travel to Canada for a legit abortion.

[Stefu]

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Speaking of hypocrisy, anti-abortionists firebombs clinic and shoot doctors.

I strongly suspect that's nothing more than a troll. Clearly no non-trollish individual would say that because some pro-lifers firebomb clinics and shoot doctors, all pro-lifers do so (as implied by "anti-abortionists firebomb clinics and shoot doctors"), or that this has anything to do whatsoever with this debate.

[Jaakko]

Admit it Stefu, it was you bombing that clinic last week!

[Gibsie]

Originally posted by CyberShy
The Morning afterpill does prevent conception.
It can't kill a phoetus.

Perhaps you should look at this site... you're more likely to beleive them than me

http://www.spuc.org.uk/map/dangers.htm

[November Adam]

Originally posted by Lincoln
Abortionists have the unique ability to look into the future...

Don't forget they also argue against the human fetus becoming a person.

This shouldn't be an argument of whether a fetus is a human (which it obviously is), but rather a "person".

A person is a human with senitience. Sentience isn't required to be human.

[November Adam]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


By extension of your logic, then, it immoral for women to have periods, and masturbation is a deadly sin.

Furthermore, cutting yourself is not allowed. That kills many, many humans.

UR you always try to use this argument but it is weak.

The zygote will continue to develope into its further stages given TIME.

Sperm cells will not continue to devlope given TIME, no matter how long it sits there it won't turn into little Johnny or Susy.

[Ramo]

The zygote will continue to develope into its further stages given TIME.

Incorrect. It needs various resources that the mother must provide as well. Sperm cells only require more resources, namely an ovum.

Given time and the various resources they require, either a sperm cell or a zygote may turn into little Johnny or Susy.

[November Adam]

Yes but the zygote is a human organism that requires another human organism to develope further in its life cycle.

A sperm cell is not an organism as it does not devlope further.

Ramo biologicaly speaking a zygote is considered its own organism as TIME is the primary consideration.