An Unborn Child is in Fact, Human

[Jon Miller]

OK

I know a lot of people who grow up in crappy environments

and they are glad that they lived (usually)

and if they are not we tell them they should be (which I think is right)

so that argument isn't right

Jon Miller

[Sava]

But in general, can you agree that it is more humane to kill in order to prevent suffering?

[moomin]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
If it's a uterine replicator then it's not yet an independent organism either.

It rather depends on what you put into the word "viable", no? If we disallow considerations for medical intervention, it logically follows it's be OK to off anybody who needs - say - a respirator after a traffic accident as well.

And I don't think that's your position, excately.

Christ, I'd allow abortions to end of 2nd trimester, even though some are already able to pull through if born prior to that...

I'm not so sure. I think abs before we could save them are quite all right, but the selectivity in choosing whether something is a lump of flesh or a human being not on medical merits but on what someone else thinks is a bit tough for me to swallow.

[Jon Miller]

we all suffer in life

you would need a strong case that much suffering would occur

and none of the things that make life worthwhile would

there are a lot of people who were really screwed with their birth, but have a better life (to my eyes) than many who were born without birth defects to good homes

Jon Miller

[Richelieu]

Originally posted by Sava
But in general, can you agree that it is more humane to kill in order to prevent suffering?

You're not killing to prevent suffering but the possibility of suffering. You don't know what's going to happen to this kid.

[Lincoln]

Abortionists have the unique ability to look into the future...

[blackice]

If a child is going to grow up in an environment without love, especially where it is unwanted, it would live a life of pain and emotional turmoil.

Father,relatives, adoption the above comment is a lame excuse.

Some people treat human life these days like and old shirt. You don't want it you just toss it away. I mean who cares it's mine anyways.

Lincoln, too true...

[Sava]

All right all right, bad example.

[Sava]

Pro-Lifers have the unique ability to put laws on other people.

[Richelieu]

Right now the law allow abortion where you and i live, even though i don't agree with it.

[Jack the Bodiless]

An Unborn Child is in Fact, Human

And so is a human toenail clipping, glob of saliva, discarded skin cell etc.

The relevant issue is whether a fetus is a human being, a "person".

Personhood implies personality, which requires intelligence. Which requires a brain.

[Sava]

I think the definition of human being should be dependent upon the ability to survive as an organism outside the mother. A fetus cannot survive outside the womb.

[Robert]

I think everybody is free to chose.
- You are free to chose to have sex or not
- you are free to chose to use the anti conception pill
- you are free to chose to use a rubber
- you are free to chose to use the morning-after pill

If you had that much to chose, and you made that much choises...... then accept the concequences. :doitnow:

If you had no choises (you were raped or something) I think you abortion should be an option.

But it should not be like "We live the unresponsible life and we destroy all the things we don't like as a result"

Thus: you're free to chose, but accept the concequences.

[Robert]

The relevant issue is whether a fetus is a human being, a "person".

Personhood implies personality, which requires intelligence. Which requires a brain.

and of course you can come with multiple bad excuses to defend your imoral way of life, and remove all the things you don't like in live.
It's a pretty bad excuse my friend.

And that's because it's not like it would never get a brain, it's because it won't get a brain because you kill it before it can get one.

[Richelieu]

Originally posted by CyberShy
I think everybody is free to chose.
- You are free to chose to have sex or not
- you are free to chose to use the anti conception pill
- you are free to chose to use a rubber
- you are free to chose to use the morning-after pill

If you had that much to chose, and you made that much choises...... then accept the concequences. :doitnow:

If you had no choises (you were raped or something) I think you abortion should be an option.

But it should not be like "We live the unresponsible life and we destroy all the things we don't like as a result"

Thus: you're free to chose, but accept the concequences.

Exactly!!!