Arafat Calls for Democratic Elections in the United States

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by NY Hoya


Take a class in constitutional law. The executive branch has no effect upon the judicial branch other than appointing judges! The court that ultimately decided the election was the SCOTUS, at that point under a Democratic administration. Are you saying that particular decision would NOT have been affected by the country's president, and Al Gore's pal Bill Clinton?

Jeb bush the the Florida supreme court meet for lunch.

The following conversation ensues 25 minutes into the meal, and after many beers:

Supreme court Justice #9: So I said to him, I'll declare that a mis-trial when abortion is illegal!

Justices's 1-8 + Jeb: Hahahahaha

Jeb: Hey guys, you got a big decision tommorow about the election tommorow, so what do you think?

Justice 4: Well we arent sure, were proboally gonna side with Gore, after all he DID have the majority vote.....

Jeb: Why dont you do your boss a favor, that and if you want to keep your jobs(he can always increase the number of judges, thus making them moot, through channel have them fired, etc....yes much of it isnt above the table), side with my brother Dubya?

Justices: Hmmm.....okay why not- your the boss!!!


I said it wasent over the table, and of course it would not be but George's brother was in a position to influence the election(though not legally) and im sure he took it.

Your going to tell me theres no corruption in goverment, and the constituion is always upheld lol?

People of high office often influence the Judicial system to get their way....for example Harry Truman added multiple more judges so he could get his new deal legislation through........added more judges with his political view, dilating the national supreme court, so his side would prevail.

[Felch]

Originally posted by Victor Galis
-So by making a Mississippian's vote count more than a New Yorkers, they solved this problem

I agree with Lincoln's policy of ravaging the South and occupying it with military force.

-Nonetheless he won.

Then why isn't he president?

-You could scrap the system, start up a multiparty one where the people in Washington do as much as if there were nobody there.

What system? There is not one iota in the Constitution that describes any party system. And we do have a multi-party system anyways. We've already mentioned the CPUSA and GPUSA in this thread, and I'm sure many people are familiar with the LP and other third parties. It's just so happened that we have two parties with the most power.

Originally posted by Vesayen

I dont have a minority viewpoint, most people dont know about the issue(low voter turn out) or care about it enough to form an opinion(general uncaring about their goverment).

Oh so it's not that people don't agree with you, it's that they don't know they agree with you? So you assume that people are ignorant. . . if people are ignorant of the "fact" that they are ruled by a dictatorship, why do you trust them enough to let them vote?

[faded glory]

Vesayan you are a ******.

Bush, after recountign 20,000 ballets... got enough votes to capture the 25 florida electoral votes. They've been recounted 9 times.

[Felch]

Vesayen, have you found gainful employment since the X-Files went off the air?

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Felch X
Oh so it's not that people don't agree with you, it's that they don't know they agree with you? So you assume that people are ignorant. . . if people are ignorant of the "fact" that they are ruled by a dictatorship, why do you trust them enough to let them vote?

No, I carefully choose what I said, I was GOING to say that but realised it was incorrect. Its not that most peopel are ignorant on matters of goverment(they are but thats besides the point), its that they dont CARE enough about matters of goverment to form an opinion on whether he stole the election or not......im sure many more people dont care if he won or lost(seing as only ~40% of eligible americans voted last election) then people who care. 60 % of americans dont give a rats ass if he won or just by the mere virtue that they didnt vote-therefore the majority view is "I dont care", its not "Hes legitimate" or "hes legitimate".

[NY Hoya]

Originally posted by faded glory
NY HOYA, welcome to the forum.

Exhibit Marcus Trollicus is of the Hague-troll-class , his habitat is liberal and his work ethic lazy.

thanks, I've actually been reading this forum for a while and know exactly what Marcus is

[Felch]

So if the majority of people don't see any problem - where's the problem? The majority are either happy or content, and it's just naysayers like you that are keeping us from having our We Love the President Day.

[NY Hoya]

Originally posted by Kamrat X
Scotch on the rocks *shudders* Heresy! But then I know what kind of crap that can be called "scotch" in the states, so...

I always smoke cubans...

I tend to prefer that made in scotland....I don't care for American whiskey...

[Victor Galis]

Then why isn't he president?

-The answer to that question is also the answer to "What's wrong with the system?"

There is not one iota in the Constitution that describes any party system. And we do have a multi-party system anyways. We've already mentioned the CPUSA and GPUSA in this thread, and I'm sure many people are familiar with the LP and other third parties. It's just so happened that we have two parties with the most power.

-Please. I don't have time to go into the many ways the constitution forces a bipartisan system.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Felch X
So if the majority of people don't see any problem - where's the problem? The majority are either happy or content, and it's just naysayers like you that are keeping us from having our We Love the President Day.

Whats a horrible annalogy lol....theres a difference between being happy, and indifferent......most people are indifferent.

The majority of the people DONT KNOW ABOUT THE EXISTANCE OF THE SUPPOSED PROBLEM so they have no opinion on it, they dont know the question exists so they dont answer it.

[Victor Galis]

So if the majority of people don't see any problem - where's the problem? The majority are either happy or content, and it's just naysayers like you that are keeping us from having our We Love the President Day.

-Excellent. Generalissimo Bush doesn't deserve a we love the president day. Although if you passed some luxuries my way...

[Felch]

It doesn't force a bipartisan system. A bipartisan system is just the best way to manage our government. You fail to see the difference between coercion and Taoism.

[Felch]

Originally posted by Vesayen
The majority of the people DONT KNOW ABOUT THE EXISTANCE OF THE SUPPOSED PROBLEM so they have no opinion on it, they dont know the question exists so they dont answer it.

The first part was a joke, but I suppose people with agendas see nothing funny. VG got it at least.

I don't get what you're saying here though. The recount was all over the place, everybody knows what happened during the elections, people just don't care. The reason people don't care is because they are okay with how it turned out. So there is no problem.

Bush and Gore weren't different enough to fight over. You'd have a tough time figuring out where they differed on issues, and an even harder time convincing anybody that they wouldn't immediately give up on their "principles" if it seemed like the politically expedient thing to do.

[NY Hoya]

Originally posted by Vesayen
Jeb bush the the Florida supreme court meet for lunch.

The following conversation ensues 25 minutes into the meal, and after many beers:

Supreme court Justice #9: So I said to him, I'll declare that a mis-trial when abortion is illegal!

Justices's 1-8 + Jeb: Hahahahaha

Jeb: Hey guys, you got a big decision tommorow about the election tommorow, so what do you think?

Justice 4: Well we arent sure, were proboally gonna side with Gore, after all he DID have the majority vote.....

Jeb: Why dont you do your boss a favor, that and if you want to keep your jobs(he can always increase the number of judges, thus making them moot, through channel have them fired, etc....yes much of it isnt above the table), side with my brother Dubya?

Justices: Hmmm.....okay why not- your the boss!!!


I said it wasent over the table, and of course it would not be but George's brother was in a position to influence the election(though not legally) and im sure he took it.

Your going to tell me theres no corruption in goverment, and the constituion is always upheld lol?

People of high office often influence the Judicial system to get their way....for example Harry Truman added multiple more judges so he could get his new deal legislation through........added more judges with his political view, dilating the national supreme court, so his side would prevail.

you do know that the Supreme Court of Florida was overwhelmingly Democratic.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Felch X


I don't get what you're saying here though. The recount was all over the place, everybody knows what happened during the elections, people just don't care. The reason people don't care is because they are okay with how it turned out. So there is no problem.

Bush and Gore weren't different enough to fight over. You'd have a tough time figuring out where they differed on issues, and an even harder time convincing anybody that they wouldn't immediately give up on their "principles" if it seemed like the politically expedient thing to do.

You have no proof over peoples intentions, or how they feel.......people dont care because we live in an entertaiment culture, and if its isnt entertaining no one cares......People arent complaining because A. theres nothing they can do about it and B. they dont care.

The supreme court decision was NOT about who won the re-count.....the eventual decision was BANNING the re-count AFTER it was shown that Gore won when all the votes were counted(BTW: for months after it was shown that many minorities groups ballots were thrown out or destroyed by the voting officials at local sites-this isnt a conspiracy of course, just the act of some racist southern white trash).

Bush and Gore were very different on lots of important issues, abortion, the ENVIROMENT(why I VERY strongly support Gore), foreign policy etc....just to name a few.


BTW from your previous post, why do you think a bi-partisant system is the best way to go?(I personally dislike political parties.......).