Arafat Calls for Democratic Elections in the United States

[Victor Galis]

Why? we like it here. If enough people decide to scrap the system we will do so.

-Yeah, it takes 3/4ths of the votes to scrap a system that oppresses about 1/4th of the states. I'm sure it will be scrapped real soon

[Felch]

The reason America is not a democracy is because our founding fathers realized that most people are bigoted *******s who don't know how to run their own affairs much less their own government.

America was established on Roman principles of governance, not Greek. It was intended to have a government that would not be swaed by the whims of the mob, and one that was as immune as possible to demagoguery.

Besides you all are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Gore won by an incredibly slim margin for such a large country. If it were a popular vote, we would have had to have had a nation wide recount of all ballots, and that would have been a huge mess. Not to mention the low voter turnout that meant that the greatest number of people wanted nobody to be president.

Wouldn't it be great if the will of the masses actually was achieved, and all the *******s in Washington lost their jobs and were replaced by the most popular candidate: nobody.

[Kyle]

Originally posted by Vesayen


Are you really naive enough to think that when Bush's victory was on the line, and the govenor of the state supreme court which decided the election-that decision would NOT have been effected by the state govenor, and Georg's brother Jeb?

He won it legally over the table, but illegally under the table......you honestly think his brother didnt influence that supreme court decision(though obviously not publicly)?

You're mixing your twisted reality with that of the real world.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by NY Hoya


I'm sure you're aware of the reasons for the electoral college. Basically, it prevents the coasts from deciding U.S. policy, protects the voice of the smaller states, etc. If not for the college, presidential candidates wouldn't campaign anywhere other than California, New York, Texas, Florida, and a handful of other states.

Guess what-democracy = will of people(even though the U.S. is a represantive republic and not a democracy......you know what I mean) that means the MAJORITY decides......should some pissant state with a population of ~ 4 million(South Dekota) have even 1/3rd as much say as a state with a population of over 24 million(New York, my home state) of course not.........yet it does. Representation should be directly proportional to population, but it is not-thus the elections are not democratric(just another reason), or fair.

[Felch]

Originally posted by Vesayen
George W. Bush is a dictator who took power illegally.

It's funny because you have a minority viewpoint. Does that mean that under the American system of ignoring tha majority you are automatically correct?

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Kyle



You're mixing your twisted reality with that of the real world.

My twisted reality? If the now president's brother had a way to ensure his brother won the election, that method was covert, gauranteed AND he wouldnt be caught doing it, do you think he would not hesitate to do it? Do you think ANY politician in Jeb's position wouldnt?

(Not to say politicans are corrupt, but deciding the presidential election without being caught doing so, which member of high office wouldnt do it?)

[NY Hoya]

Originally posted by Vesayen Are you really naive enough to think that when Bush's victory was on the line, and the govenor of the state supreme court which decided the election-that decision would NOT have been effected by the state govenor, and Georg's brother Jeb?

He won it legally over the table, but illegally under the table......you honestly think his brother didnt influence that supreme court decision(though obviously not publicly)?

Its not a democracy because the minority can, and often do decide who becomes president, and more so because the people did not decide who is president......the Bush's decided who was president and im my eyes George W. Bush is a dictator who took power illegally.

Take a class in constitutional law. The executive branch has no effect upon the judicial branch other than appointing judges! The court that ultimately decided the election was the SCOTUS, at that point under a Democratic administration. Are you saying that particular decision would NOT have been affected by the country's president, and Al Gore's pal Bill Clinton?

[faded glory]

The electoral vote is the best system. It atleast forces presidential candidates to pay attention to small states with less people instead of a giant brainwashing of large Urban area's like Europe.

[Victor Galis]

The reason America is not a democracy is because our founding fathers realized that most people are bigoted *******s who don't know how to run their own affairs much less their own government.

-So by making a Mississippian's vote count more than a New Yorkers, they solved this problem

Besides you all are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Gore won by an incredibly slim margin for such a large country. If it were a popular vote, we would have had to have had a nation wide recount of all ballots, and that would have been a huge mess. Not to mention the low voter turnout that meant that the greatest number of people wanted nobody to be president.

-Nonetheless he won.

Wouldn't it be great if the will of the masses actually was achieved, and all the *******s in Washington lost their jobs and were replaced by the most popular candidate: nobody

-You could scrap the system, start up a multiparty one where the people in Washington do as much as if there were nobody there.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Felch X


It's funny because you have a minority viewpoint. Does that mean that under the American system of ignoring tha majority you are automatically correct?

I dont have a minority viewpoint, most people dont know about the issue(low voter turn out) or care about it enough to form an opinion(general uncaring about their goverment).

[NY Hoya]

Originally posted by Victor Galis -Yeah, it takes 3/4ths of the votes to scrap a system that oppresses about 1/4th of the states. I'm sure it will be scrapped real soon

I'm happy that those who had a truly unjust case to campaign against, say those that thought Blacks should have the right to vote, weren't as pessimistic as you.

[Victor Galis]

The electoral vote is the best system. It atleast forces presidential candidates to pay attention to small states with less people instead of a giant brainwashing of large Urban area's like Europe.

-And this is the system that make Georgia not matter at all.

[faded glory]

NY HOYA, welcome to the forum.

Exhibit Marcus Trollicus is of the Hague-troll-class , his habitat is liberal and his work ethic lazy.

[faded glory]

Originally posted by Victor Galis


-And this is the system that make Georgia not matter at all.

uh-huh

Hard to debate the crises in the electoral college last election with somebody who doesnt even know what state it was it

[Zoid]

Originally posted by NY Hoya


spoken like a true pinko! I think I'll just relax with my (non-cuban) cigar and scotch on the rocks.....

Scotch on the rocks *shudders* Heresy! But then I know what kind of crap that can be called "scotch" in the states, so...

I always smoke cubans...