Gay Pride Day

[Asher]

If those shirtless guys painted their bodies with pictures of genitalia and had a riding crop instead of a foam finger (which also could be construed as gay, hmm), then no, it's not any different.

[Boris Godunov]

The Foam Finger is a little suspect...

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Most marchers in the parade don't act like perverts, though. The media will always show the most shocking images, but those are a small minority of the participants.

True, but they probably spoil things for other gays (in that they promote a stereotype) to an extent.

A few are outrageous, yes. But there will always be people in any segment of society who do outrageous things. They're attention-seekers, I suppose. Is it all that different from seeing those shirtless guys painting their bodies at sports games?

Pretty different IMO. Also, you dont see such hedonism in other parades like St Paddys.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Caligastia
True, but they probably spoil things for other gays (in that they promote a stereotype) to an extent.

I don't think so. If people stereotype the whole based on a small minority, isn't that the fault of the stereotypers?

How could run-of-the-mill, boring gays like myself say to the more extreme ones "You can't march, you'll make us look bad?"

Many of the radicals do it just to be radical. They actually resent acceptance, in a way, as they see it as depriving them of their specialness. So they're only way to be special is to be outrageous.

Pretty different IMO. Also, you dont see such hedonism in other parades like St Paddys.

No, just drunken brawls and discrimination. Which would you rather have?

[moomin]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Most marchers in the parade don't act like perverts, though. The media will always show the most shocking images, but those are a small minority of the participants.

Would you think that a good excuse for other groups? Suppose a pro-life march of a hundered thousand or so soccer moms was trailed by a hundered "god hates fags" fanatics - you really wouldn't think the majority were morons to allow that lunatic fringe to go with them?

A few are outrageous, yes. But there will always be people in any segment of society who do outrageous things. They're attention-seekers, I suppose. Is it all that different from seeing those shirtless guys painting their bodies at sports games?

You need to ask? Really?

I'm not too happy discussing this with you anyway. Too large a potential someone for getting offended and all. I'm personally firmly in the I-don't-give-a-sh!t-as-long-as-I-don't-have-to-watch camp about what people do for sexual entertainment, but I've found most gay parades I ever saw disgraceful. Grown up people behaving like a bunch of perverted loony bin clients on a day the warden's away isn't all too conductive for that respect and acceptance the whole thing is supposedly about.

I'm suggesting this particular tactic has outlived it's usefullness.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
How is the fact that Oden stands by her story evidence that Snopes is false in this instance?

Because at best all they can say is that it is undetermined. It's her word (which is quite highly regarded by her local paper) versus the company. Both have a stake in saying the other is wrong, therefore you can't say for sure that one side or the other is false. Snopes is taking sides in this case, rather than being objective. That makes them wrong.

[chequita guevara]

I don't understand why gays should be required to act like straights want them to act? If it were up to the nay sayers, there wouldn't be any gay people, and only married folks could have sex in the missionary position and then only to have children. Thanks be to the gays for reminding us that sex is about having fun, being silly, and play.

[Asher]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I don't understand why gays should be required to act like straights want them to act? If it were up to the nay sayers, there wouldn't be any gay people, and only married folks could have sex in the missionary position and then only to have children. Thanks be to the gays for reminding us that sex is about having fun, being silly, and play.

It's not about acting like how straights want them to act, it's about acting normally. It's not "straight" to not be flaunting around in weird leather/lingerie in the streets, so it's not "acting how straights want them to", it's acting like everyone wants them to.

People should check their sexuality at the door, not dress up in leather and whips and parade it around in front of everyone.

It's that reason why there's such a bad stereotype for gays. It's embarassing. The extremely vocal minority is tarnishing the image of the silent majority, and the media & onlookers wouldn't know the difference.

[chequita guevara]

I like leather and whips. I think more people should dress that way.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by moominparatrooper
Would you think that a good excuse for other groups? Suppose a pro-life march of a hundered thousand or so soccer moms was trailed by a hundered "god hates fags" fanatics - you really wouldn't think the majority were morons to allow that lunatic fringe to go with them?

Well, considering "God Hates Fags" and being pro-life don't have anything to do with each other, I think it's a poor analogy. But I wouldn't stereotype all prolifers as being horrifically awful people because of the actions of a few of them.

I'm not too happy discussing this with you anyway.

So don't. Nobody made ya come to this thread.

I-don't-give-a-sh!t-as-long-as-I-don't-have-to-watch camp about what people do for sexual entertainment, but I've found most gay parades I ever saw disgraceful.

If you don't give a **** and don't want to watch, why did you?

Grown up people behaving like a bunch of perverted loony bin clients on a day the warden's away isn't all too conductive for that respect and acceptance the whole thing is supposedly about.

Were you disgusted by the floats raising AIDS awareness, or the people who were marching for civil rights initiatives, or for fairness in marriage laws, or for decrying abuse and violence? No, you just focus on the few who upset you. You're looking to be offended.

I don't care if some flaming queen wants to rollerskate down 5th avenue in bikini briefs and headress. I'd rather see that than someone beating the snot out of someone. Wouldn't you?

[moomin]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I like leather and whips.

Do you now, commie?

[chequita guevara]

Yes I do. Just wish I looked good in them, instead of like a sausage.

[moomin]

Hey, I bet North Korea can cure that real quick...

No, man, I understand where you're from. I happen to think kink's nice too - in private. But people doing it in my face are forcing me to participate in a sex act I didn't ask to be involved in, a thing I don't appreciate as much now as I did at the age of fifteen.

And now, thanks for the inspiration. I'm off to do a graph plotting political orientation/sexual pathology. Sweet!

[MrFun]

Gay Pride is important as long as homosexuals, bisexuals, transsexuals, and lesbians are a minority group suffering discrimination.


I have not traveled to any city for Gay Pride this year, but there will be a smaller pride event in the local Quad Cities area, where I live.


And for those who find Gay Pride parades offensive, as Boris pointed out, those people are only LOOKING to be offended by only acknowledging the radical floats and marchers, and ignoring the other parts of the parade.



It's like saying that you hate eating spinach, but then you continue to eat spinach, and then you continue saying that you hate spinach.
Or, that you bang your head against a wall, complain that it hurts, and yet, you continue banging your head against a wall.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


I don't think so. If people stereotype the whole based on a small minority, isn't that the fault of the stereotypers?

Partly, yes.

How could run-of-the-mill, boring gays like myself say to the more extreme ones "You can't march, you'll make us look bad?"

They couldnt, but I still think the radical ones are doing more harm than good.

Many of the radicals do it just to be radical. They actually resent acceptance, in a way, as they see it as depriving them of their specialness. So they're only way to be special is to be outrageous.

Pretty childish IMO.

No, just drunken brawls and discrimination. Which would you rather have?

I didnt see any drunken brawls at the St Paddys parade, whos stereotyping now Boris?

By discrimination I assume you are talking about the fact that St Patrick's Cathedral who organise and mostly pay for the parade wont allow a gay float. I dont have a problem with this. Its their parade, so why shouldnt they have the right to say who gets to march and who doesnt? I doubt the gay pride parade would allow a gay nazi float.