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You know if someone were to suggest a Straight Pride week or actually do it, it would be consider a major slur against Homosexuals everywhere. Why is that?
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Yeah, get ye homos back in the closet where you belong, eh?
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Who would consider it a major slur against homosexuals? You would? I would? Boris would? I don't think so... hands up all those who'd be offended by straight pride!Comment
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I responded to a few things you said last week, my post is about 10 or 15 back from this one....people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
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Here is the last debate between Boris and Caligastia...
Response by Caligastia:Originally posted by Boris Godunov:
I don't think so. If people stereotype the whole based on a small minority, isn't that the fault of the stereotypers?
Partly, yes.
Response by Caligastia:Posted by Boris Godunov:
How could run-of-the-mill, boring gays like myself say to the more extreme ones "You can't march, you'll make us look bad?"
They couldnt, but I still think the radical ones are doing more harm than good.
Response by Caligastia:Posted by Boris Godunov:
Many of the radicals do it just to be radical. They actually resent acceptance, in a way, as they see it as depriving them of their specialness. So they're only way to be special is to be outrageous.
Pretty childish IMO.
Response by Caligastia:Posted by Boris Godunov:
No, just drunken brawls and discrimination. Which would you rather have?
I didnt see any drunken brawls at the St Paddys parade, whos stereotyping now Boris?
By discrimination I assume you are talking about the fact that St Patrick's Cathedral who organise and mostly pay for the parade wont allow a gay float. I dont have a problem with this. Its their parade, so why shouldnt they have the right to say who gets to march and who doesnt? I doubt the gay pride parade would allow a gay nazi float.____________________________
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Thanks Wittlich
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
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Why partly? How on earth is a group that is stereotyped responsible for the negative stereotype, when we've all acknowledged that stereotype is not true for the majority?Originally posted by Wittlich
Response by Caligastia:
Partly, yes.
I think they're just being the way they want to be. I don't see any harm in that, although I have no desire to ever be that way.They couldnt, but I still think the radical ones are doing more harm than good.
Yeah, I'd agree. I did say it was kinda sad, actually. Some people spend their whole lives on the fringe and can't seem to accept being accepted...Response by Caligastia:
Pretty childish IMO.
Every year I've seen at least one after the parade, in some pub somewhere. Not in the parade, no.Response by Caligastia:
I didnt see any drunken brawls at the St Paddys parade, whos stereotyping now Boris?
I don't like it, as it's hypocrisy on the part of Catholic leadership, considering the huge percentage of gay Catholic priests and bishops. But I'm not advocating them being forced to change their rule, just saying I find it discriminatory. It is also in direct conflict with the current Catholic teaching that homosexuals are good, fine people and that it is the sin that is the problem. The parade excludes based on who they are, not what they do.By discrimination I assume you are talking about the fact that St Patrick's Cathedral who organise and mostly pay for the parade wont allow a gay float. I dont have a problem with this.
Sure, but don't expect me to not call them on the hypocrisy of it. It's still discriminatory, whereas the Gay Pride parade doesn't discriminate against people because of who they are.Its their parade, so why shouldnt they have the right to say who gets to march and who doesnt?
Red Herring. As I said, the Catholic church officially teaches that gay people are fine, it's gay acts it doesn't like. Yet by not allowing gays to march, the church is condemning who they are. It's a slap in the face to gay Catholics everywhere.I doubt the gay pride parade would allow a gay nazi float.
Gay Nazis would be a different matter, as being a Nazi entails belief. No one is born a Nazi, and the exclusion would be of the ideas, not the people. And since the gay community has, by and large, repudiated the tenets of Nazism, exclusion wouldn't be akin to the two-faced hypocrisy of the St. Patrick's Day Parade at all.Tutto nel mondo è burlaComment
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The Gay Hitler on SNL is pretty funny.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Haven't seen SNL in ages, what's this?Originally posted by Asher
The Gay Hitler on SNL is pretty funny.
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It's just a little character Chris Kattan plays occasionally on Weekend Update.Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Haven't seen SNL in ages, what's this?
He's dressed up as a Gay Speedskating Hitler. He's got the swastika patch on his arm, the mustache and everything. Looks actually quite a bit like Hitler. But he also has a pinkish scarf which he tosses about "elegantly" and enters/leaves the stage by mock speedskating.
He joined in on a rendition of some Neil Diamond song with Will Ferrel (playing as Neil Diamond) and Neil Diamond himself on the season finale..."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Nazis killed gay people for being gay. I think Gays and Lesbians have a right to deny Nazis (even Gay Nazis) the right to be in their events.Originally posted by Caligastia
I doubt the gay pride parade would allow a gay nazi float.
When did Gays as such kill Catholics? Or have Catholics ever participated in the killing of Gays?Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Not that I know of, at least not in a organized, systemic manner. Although some could argue about Catholic heirarchy complicity in the Holocaust, it certainly wasn't on a official level.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Or have Catholics ever participated in the killing of Gays?Tutto nel mondo è burlaComment
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I say partly because stereotypes dont come from nowhere. Of course gays as a group are not responsible for it, but there are plenty of them that fit the stereotype, and a few who intentionally perpetuate it.Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Why partly? How on earth is a group that is stereotyped responsible for the negative stereotype, when we've all acknowledged that stereotype is not true for the majority?
I dont see any real harm in it, I have met plenty of flamers who just are that way and there is nothing they can do about it. The few who are intentionally over-flamboyant may be soiling the public image of gays somewhat though.I think they're just being the way they want to be. I don't see any harm in that, although I have no desire to ever be that way.
Is this the only time you see drunken brawls in NYC? Ive seen plenty on other occasions - like new years.Every year I've seen at least one after the parade, in some pub somewhere. Not in the parade, no.
Well its fine for you to disagree, I just support their right to do what they want with their parade.I don't like it, as it's hypocrisy on the part of Catholic leadership, considering the huge percentage of gay Catholic priests and bishops. But I'm not advocating them being forced to change their rule, just saying I find it discriminatory. It is also in direct conflict with the current Catholic teaching that homosexuals are good, fine people and that it is the sin that is the problem. The parade excludes based on who they are, not what they do.
Its obviously hypocritical then, but if they want to be hypocrites with their parade - so be it. They only hurt themselves.Sure, but don't expect me to not call them on the hypocrisy of it. It's still discriminatory, whereas the Gay Pride parade doesn't discriminate against people because of who they are.
Well do you think a straight pride float in the gay parade wouldnt have any opposition?Gay Nazis would be a different matter, as being a Nazi entails belief. No one is born a Nazi, and the exclusion would be of the ideas, not the people. And since the gay community has, by and large, repudiated the tenets of Nazism, exclusion wouldn't be akin to the two-faced hypocrisy of the St. Patrick's Day Parade at all....people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
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Plenty of straights march in the parade already, whether it be politicians pandering for votes or those wonderful friends, moms and dads of PFLAG. There is no exclusion of heterosexuals. I would hesitate to say yes to the float simply because its theme, "straight pride," isn't the theme of the parade, which is "gay pride." It would be rather off-topic.
But, if it featured buff, shirtless straight guys dancing it up and having fun, I can't say I'd complain...
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