Gay Pride Day

[faded glory]

". If someone in Poland would do such a thing, after few minutes would be told to stop such a disgusting for eyes things "

Well I find it totally disgusting too. But thats my prefrence. And I have right to look away from what I view as perverted. But not a right to tell them they cant.


To each his own I guess. I make out in public sometimes, If somebody told me they didnt like it. I'd tell em' get lost. They could look away.

[Boris Godunov]

It's funny (read: sad, tragic) how some people think it's okay to oppress people--oft times violently--just because they want to hold hands with someone in public...

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by faded glory
Well I guess Mardi Gras is straight Pride day.

Hardly. Mardi Gras, Carnival, Halloween (in Key West) are all sexual pride days. Yes, there are lotsa guys screaming, "SHOW US YOUR TITS!" And there are lots of women showing them. But on those floats, those aren't woman in those flamboyant, feathered and sequinned outfits. Those holidays are all about gettin' in on, and it don't matter who you like gettin' it on with.

Just remember, every day is straight pride day.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by faded glory
Well I find it totally disgusting too. But thats my prefrence. And I have right to look away from what I view as perverted. But not a right to tell them they cant.

To each his own I guess. I make out in public sometimes, If somebody told me they didnt like it. I'd tell em' get lost. They could look away.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov They want to march because they are Irish. They want to celebrate their Irishness. There maybe some agitators who are there to make an issue, but I think most are just gay Irish folks who want to march.

I dont think anyone stops them marching because they are gay, they just dont want them to have big gay floats. I can see both sides, but in the end I have to support the right of the parade organisers to choose who they want to be in it.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by mindseye
I hate to interrupt the shellacking you're taking, Cali, but I can't resist tossing in a few comments:

shellacking? You are a fool. Boris and I are having a perfectly civil discussion. Nobody is taking a "shellacking".

Okay, how about remove all references to St. Patrick's Day Parade and replace with Mardi Gras Parade in New Orleans. Any childishness or embarassing heterosexual stereotypes being reinforced there? Hint: "Show us your tits!"

Obviously yes, but heteros are not a minority trying to gain acceptance by a majority.

I dunno, maybe they feel they are as good as any other Irish folk?

If the people who organise the parade dont want a big gay float in it I think thats fair enough. Its their parade.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Caligastia
I dont think anyone stops them marching because they are gay, they just dont want them to have big gay floats. I can see both sides, but in the end I have to support the right of the parade organisers to choose who they want to be in it.

Nope, all they want is a banner and to march behind it. That's all they've asked for, and it was denied.

As I said, the parade people can have who they want. But I can still say it stinks of hypocrisy and hate. And I have no problem with activists pointing that out year after year.

[Boris Godunov]

Cali: read my lips: No big gay float wanted. Just a normal-sized gay banner. No naked people on it, even.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov "Why do they want to be in a [society] where they are not wanted, anyway?"

A parade and a society are two different things arent they?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Caligastia
A parade and a society are two different things arent they?

It's a general point about acceptance, and you can't totally disentangle the activities of a society (such as parades) from society itself. What gould would it be to have a lip service "oh sure, you're part of society," and then still be excluded from things based on who one is, not what one does?

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Nope, all they want is a banner and to march behind it. That's all they've asked for, and it was denied.

As I said, the parade people can have who they want. But I can still say it stinks of hypocrisy and hate. And I have no problem with activists pointing that out year after year.

I agree that its hypocritical given the catholic church's position on homosexuality, but I still think they have a right to choose who they want to be in a parade.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Cali: read my lips: No big gay float wanted. Just a normal-sized gay banner. No naked people on it, even.

Personally I am not opposed to that, but should the parade organisers have the right to say who marches and who doesnt? I say they do.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


It's a general point about acceptance, and you can't totally disentangle the activities of a society (such as parades) from society itself. What gould would it be to have a lip service "oh sure, you're part of society," and then still be excluded from things based on who one is, not what one does?

The people who say "oh sure, you're a part of society" are not necessarily the same ones who exclude them from the parade are they?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Caligastia


Personally I am not opposed to that, but should the parade organisers have the right to say who marches and who doesnt? I say they do.

And haven't I said the same thing several times? I'm getting dizzy from the circles...

The people who say "oh sure, you're a part of society" are not necessarily the same ones who exclude them from the parade are they?

You'd be surprised.

[Caligastia]

Boris-
Well lets wrap this up by saying that we agree, and we are both incredibly intelligent.