Gay Pride Day

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Plenty of straights march in the parade already, whether it be politicians pandering for votes or those wonderful friends, moms and dads of PFLAG. There is no exclusion of heterosexuals. I would hesitate to say yes to the float simply because its theme, "straight pride," isn't the theme of the parade, which is "gay pride." It would be rather off-topic.

Well isnt it rather off-topic to have a gay float in an irish parade? Just as straights are not excluded from the gay parade, gays are not excluded from the irish parade. They are just not allowed to have a float or march under the gay banner. Frankly I cant understand why they would even want to.

But, if it featured buff, shirtless straight guys dancing it up and having fun, I can't say I'd complain...

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Well isnt it rather off-topic to have a gay float in an irish parade? Just as straights are not excluded from the gay parade, gays are not excluded from the irish parade. They are just not allowed to have a float or march under the gay banner. Frankly I cant understand why they would even want to.

Because they are gay and Irish and proud of being both, I suppose. I'm not Irish (ok, a little, but not enough to count), so I wouldn't want to. But I don't see it as being any different from any of the other various subgroups in the Parade. It's not just a monolithic march of Irish people, now, is it? They're Irish and they're gay...it happens!

I think it is different from the gay parade, in that everything there has something to do with being gay/bisexual/transgender. Being straight doesn't have anything to do with those things.

Not that there's anything wrong with it...

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Because they are gay and Irish and proud of being both, I suppose. I'm not Irish (ok, a little, but not enough to count), so I wouldn't want to. But I don't see it as being any different from any of the other various subgroups in the Parade. It's not just a monolithic march of Irish people, now, is it? They're Irish and they're gay...it happens!

I think it is different from the gay parade, in that everything there has something to do with being gay/bisexual/transgender. Being straight doesn't have anything to do with those things.

What does being gay have to do with being irish? If they want a gay irish float so bad then why dont they have one in the gay parade? Or do they?

[Boris Godunov]

They do. But being both in they gay and Irish communities, they would like acceptance in both, which makes it relevant.

And one can be both gay and Irish, which is the point.

One can't be both gay and straight, as they are contradictory...

[Boris Godunov]

What does being a firefighter have to do with being Irish? Yet there is the Irish firefighters in the parade...

[Luk]

God!!!!

I read all those posts and I can't belive that Western Culture is in so weak condition, and that the idea of conservatism is so far from its normal meaning.

To a normal conservative guy gays and homosexualism is a disease and it is abnormal thing.

It doesn't mean that I hate them, it means that Im very concerned about them and express a condolence because of their disease.

And Im against all gays parade because it is a try to equalize the heterosexuals with homosexuals which is of course bull****

Im very pleased that in Poland Gays are afraid to do such a parade, and that I dont have to look on disgusting picture of two men holding hands each other. If someone in Poland would do such a thing, after few minutes would be told to stop such a disgusting for eyes things

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
What does being a firefighter have to do with being Irish? Yet there is the Irish firefighters in the parade...

But there are many, many irish who are firefighters and police officers. Is there as great a proportion of irish in the gay community?

[Boris Godunov]

I'd say about 5-7% of Irish people are gay...

Does it matter if it's less than firemen?

And hey everyone...it looks like the Nazis are still in Poland after all!

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
I'd say about 5-7% of Irish people are gay...

Does it matter if it's less than firemen?

My point is that the reason you have firemen in the St Paddy's parade is because its such a significant part of the irish community. Seeing as gays are a much smaller portion of the irish community there seems to be less reason for them to be in the parade.

Why do they want to be in a parade where they are not wanted anyway? Its seems to me they are more interested in agitating than celebrating. Why else would you try to force yourself onto people who dont want you?

[Boris Godunov]

There are other, much smaller groups that march in the parade, Cali. I'd wager that there wasn't any more than 5-7% of Irish people who were firefighters.

They want to march because they are Irish. They want to celebrate their Irishness. There maybe some agitators who are there to make an issue, but I think most are just gay Irish folks who want to march.

[mindseye]

I hate to interrupt the shellacking you're taking, Cali, but I can't resist tossing in a few comments:

Pretty childish IMO.

I didn't see any drunken brawls at the St Paddys parade, whos stereotyping now Boris?

Okay, how about remove all references to St. Patrick's Day Parade and replace with Mardi Gras Parade in New Orleans. Any childishness or embarassing heterosexual stereotypes being reinforced there? Hint: "Show us your tits!"

Why do they want to be in a parade where they are not wanted anyway?

I dunno, maybe they feel they are as good as any other Irish folk?

Actually, that question metaphorically encapsulates the motivation behind the entire gay rights movement.

[Boris Godunov]

Hmm, good points, mindseye...

"Why do they want to be in a [society] where they are not wanted, anyway?"

[nationalist]

Originally posted by Luk
God!!!!

I read all those posts and I can't belive that Western Culture is in so weak condition, and that the idea of conservatism is so far from its normal meaning.

To a normal conservative guy gays and homosexualism is a disease and it is abnormal thing.

It doesn't mean that I hate them, it means that Im very concerned about them and express a condolence because of their disease.

And Im against all gays parade because it is a try to equalize the heterosexuals with homosexuals which is of course bull****

Im very pleased that in Poland Gays are afraid to do such a parade, and that I dont have to look on disgusting picture of two men holding hands each other. If someone in Poland would do such a thing, after few minutes would be told to stop such a disgusting for eyes things

Just wait, Luk. In a few years they'll force their beliefs on Poland, too. If you say anything that is anti-gay you will be labeled a homophobe and a closet homo. After all, freedom of opinion and expression only apply if you are mouthing whatever current liberal belief is en vouge. Say or believe anything else and you will be attacked. Read the posts responding to this. You'll see. Anyone who believes liberals and leftists are tolerant has their head up their ass. Flame away, people.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by nationalist
Just wait, Luk. In a few years they'll force their beliefs on Poland, too. If you say anything that is anti-gay you will be labeled a homophobe and a closet homo. After all, freedom of opinion and expression only apply if you are mouthing whatever current liberal belief is en vouge. Say or believe anything else and you will be attacked. Read the posts responding to this. You'll see. Anyone who believes liberals and leftists are tolerant has their head up their ass. Flame away, people.

Why would you think such inane and unimaginative comments are deserving of flames?

[faded glory]

Well I guess Mardi Gras is straight Pride day.

Im proud to be straight! Damn proud I tell ya! Thats somthing to be proud of!

Now show me YOUR tits baby!