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It is in Canada an assualt and will and does constitute domestic violence, expultion from school etc. It is also simple bad behavior
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I agree with Blackice on this one.
A major difference between general violence in movies and this commerical is the question of what is acceptable. There was a time when slapping a woman was considered acceptable. Now it is not. The same cannot be said about women hitting men. This commercial reinforces the idea that it is okay for women to hit men. By getting Labatt to drop the ad, we send the message that this behaviour is not acceptable.Golfing since 67Comment
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I'll take that in the nicest way possible, since I think you're an uninformed idiot.Originally posted by Mr. President
You're a punk, Asher."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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"The context? That's exactly right.
It's a humorous BEER COMMERCIAL.
Context is everything."
Of course. By being in a humorous beer commercial, it treats domestic violence as a humorous subject.
Blackice.
Good to see you got them to stop doing it.
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Have you seen the commercial, Shi?
If this sets a precedent we should outlaw any commercials involving:
- Any kind of negative comment -- this teaches people to inflict emotional abuse upon others, which is extremely important, just like physical abuse
- Any kind of racing -- this teaches people to race cars, which can lead to death since it's "dangerous"
- Any kind of reference to alcohol in general -- this can cause alcoholics
The commercial was a small, tiny slap. It wouldn't even leave a mark.
If the commerical involved actually smacking the man to the point of being considered actual abuse (this wouldn't even fly in a courtroom, as much as blackice would like to admit), then it'd have grounds. It simply doesn't.
The reaction of everyone in this thread is sickening, you're all reacting in the basis of "ohhh, that sounds bad, women allowed to hit men and men not allowed to hit women!". It was a tiny little slap, see the commercial before making asses out of yourself."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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- Any kind of negative comment -- this teaches people to inflict emotional abuse upon others, which is extremely important, just like physical abuse
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There are limits to freedom of speech. An ad showing a car zooming down a highway is generally considered acceptable. But there would be objections to an ad showing a car racing down a street in a residential area.Originally posted by Asher
If this sets a precedent we should outlaw any commercials involving:
- Any kind of racing -- this teaches people to race cars, which can lead to death since it's "dangerous"
More importantly, no one forced Labatt to drop the ad. People like Blackice simply exercised their freedom of speech and told Labatts what they thought of the ad. Labatts exercised its freedom and pulled the ad.Golfing since 67Comment
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If the commerical involved actually smacking the man to the point of being considered actual abuse (this wouldn't even fly in a courtroom, as much as blackice would like to admit), then it'd have grounds. It simply doesn't.
Asher it is assualt you need to refresh yourself on the laws.
Assault
The touching of another person with an intent to harm, without that person's consent.
Any type of intentional and unwanted force applied to another person constitutes assault under section 265 of the Criminal Code. This section could be used for the most serious to the less serious forms of assault. A simple nudge is an assault.
I suppose you could argue she did not want to hurt him, she just slapped him because he and she thought it would be funny. Of course that is not what the commercial suggested is it... Under section 265 it is assualt period Asher.
In Ontario and other provinces and countries. A threat is violence let alone a slap especially in DV laws. It is real simple Asher it is not ok for a man to hit a woman and it is NOT ok for a woman to hit a man simple really.
The point you are missing is this commercial was aired while kids are watching T.V. If a kid goes to school and "slaps" another kid they are suspended. Their defence I saw it on T.V. so it must be ok?
Asher womens' group have successfully blocked, stopped, shaped the ad industry to not "promote" violence against women in this fashion. I say we should not promote violence against any sex period. Especially on prime time. I guess labatts agrees.“The Communist Manifesto was correct…but…we see the privileges of the capitalist bourgeoisie yielding…to democratic organizations…In my judgment…success lies in a steady [peaceful] advance…[rather]…than in…a catastrophic crash."Eduard Bernstein
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Well put Blackice.http://monkspider.blogspot.com/Comment
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By the way, i'm very pleased that our correspondences with Labatt have resulted in victory. This is a great day for male rights.
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I don't understand why people are being inconsistent on this - if you think that a slap on the cheek in a beer commercial is a bad influence, why the hell don't you think the beer commercial is a bad influence, period? What about all of the other violence and "suggestive content" in the media? Far be it for me to presume (But I have to, since this question has been asked dozens of times in this thread and no one has really responded to it.), but I'm pretty sure that most of the people arguing against this would be up in arms if they tried to censor all forms of violence and "suggestive behaviour" in the media.
A kid can play a game where she kills people by the hundreds, she can watch a cartoon where people beat each other up for amusement, she can watch a movie that's nothign but non-stop action and violence. But she can't watch a woman give her husband a slap on the cheek. Do you not mind your daughter growing up into some sort of serial killer, so long as she isn't going to slap her husband?
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Ever heard of the phrase "spirit of the law".Originally posted by blackice
Asher it is assualt you need to refresh yourself on the laws.
Alright, and should we also ban content that involves the ritualistic slapping-on-the-back?I suppose you could argue she did not want to hurt him, she just slapped him because he and she thought it would be funny. Of course that is not what the commercial suggested is it... Under section 265 it is assualt period Asher.
How about poking? Is poking assault?
Christ, how do these kids manage to live in conditions like this?!
If I kid uses that excuse he needs to be slapped quite a few times himself.The point you are missing is this commercial was aired while kids are watching T.V. If a kid goes to school and "slaps" another kid they are suspended. Their defence I saw it on T.V. so it must be ok?
I guarantee you they do not agree, they just don't want bad press from the overly-PC morons in today's world.I guess labatts agrees."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Well put Osweld. 
The whole outrage over this deserves an outrage itself. I don't think anyone here arguing that it was assault has even seen the commercial, other than blackice (and he doesn't really count, does he?)
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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