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    Playing dominoes

    Jun 24th 2002
    From The Economist Global Agenda


    International investors appear to be losing confidence in Brazil as the fall-out from the economic collapse in Argentina threatens to damage economic prospects in several Latin American countries. Is the region heading for a new financial crisis?

    IT IS known as the domino effect. Once used to describe the spread of communism, the phrase now more commonly refers to the spread of international financial crises—especially in emerging-market economies. But even there, the domino theory was until recently beginning to look dated: the catastrophic collapse of Argentina’s financial system, currency and even government at the end of last year appeared to have virtually no effect on other countries in the region.

    All that has now changed. As Argentina’s struggle to get to grips with its economic problems has dragged on, doubts are emerging about neighbouring economies. Brazil, the largest economy in Latin America, has seen its currency fall, and the cost of servicing its foreign debts has soared. On June 20th, Uruguay abandoned its currency peg and floated its peso—which promptly sank by nearly 10% in two days. Ecuador, whose finance minister resigned (perhaps to pre-empt sacking) on June 23rd in the wake of a bribery scandal, is finding its own corruption problems more difficult to handle because of nervousness about the region as a whole.

    The extent to which the mood has shifted was underlined on June 20th, when remarks made by the Mexican finance minister sparked a minor panic in the markets. Francisco Gil Diaz was urging on congress the need to get public finances in order. In doing so, he likened Mexico to Argentina, and its failure to tackle its public finances before the crisis erupted. Mr Gil Diaz was using the comparison to put pressure on congress, but his comments had much wider repercussions, prompting President Vicente Fox to issue a statement saying the Mexican economy was “solid”.

    Smaller economies, such as Uruguay and Ecuador, will always be much more vulnerable to changes in investor sentiment. Uruguay was forced to abandon its currency board—a system which fixed in law the level of its domestic currency against the American dollar—because the collapse of confidence in Argentina had made deposit-holders in Uruguay, a large proportion of whom are Argentines, increasingly keen to switch their money into dollars. This created such pressure on the central bank, whose reserves had fallen by around 40%, that the currency peg became unsustainable. Like Argentina’s, Uruguay’s—much smaller—economy is in the fourth year of a painful recession, with high unemployment and many banks weakened by large-scale withdrawals by jittery depositors.

    Many Argentines, dismayed by the collapse of their economy, have blamed the outside world for its failure to help. Another team from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) left Buenos Aires last week with no comment, suggesting that a rescue package is no nearer. The resignation of Mario Blejer, the widely respected central-bank governor, which was announced last week and takes effect at the end of the month, has further undermined hopes that a settlement with the IMF can be reached before repayments of loans from the Fund fall due over the coming months.

    Much of the problem lies with Argentina’s politicians, who remain reluctant, often for electoral reasons, to push through the reforms needed. Mr Blejer’s resignation is attributed in part to the difficulties he found in working with the economy minister, Roberto Lavagna, and to the reluctance of the president, Eduardo Duhalde, to take tough and potentially unpopular decisions.

    Arguably, the international community could have taken a more sympathetic approach to Argentina’s problems. But outside the country, there is relatively little support for the provision of greater financial assistance, and none among the IMF’s principal paymasters, the G7 rich countries. American and European governments have repeatedly emphasised the importance of Argentina’s confronting its economic problems and making the necessary reforms.

    Electoral politics lie behind many of Brazil’s current difficulties. On June 21st, the country’s currency, the real, fell to its lowest level since its creation in 1994 and investors grew nervous about the outcome of the presidential elections in October. The risk premium on Brazilian government bonds over the interest rate paid on American treasury securities rose to levels last seen during the country’s currency crisis in early 1999 (which ended with a sharp devaluation of the real). Investors are concerned by the country’s public debt, now more than 55% of GDP: interest payments account for 9% of GDP.

    But the man who makes them really nervous is Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, a member of the Brazilian Workers’ Party. He is the leading leftist candidate in the elections and is currently ahead in opinion polls by a substantial margin. There have been fears that Mr da Silva would abandon the conservative fiscal stance of President Fernando Cardoso and place more emphasis on social spending.

    Not true, said Mr da Silva, in a statement on June 23rd. He insisted he would fulfil the country’s international obligations and maintain whatever budget surplus was necessary to control the rise of government debt. He also reaffirmed his commitment to low inflation. But some market analysts have drawn little comfort from Mr da Silva’s open letter to the Brazilian people: such moderate statements make his election more likely, said one.

    With the exception of Uruguay there is, as yet, little firm evidence of regional contagion, at least in the sense of a general flight of capital. Investors and analysts alike appear to have learned that it makes sense to look at each emerging-market economy on its merits. In Latin America’s case, though, that might now bring little comfort as Brazil’s impending election gives investors pause for thought.

    But it is also increasingly clear that changes in sentiment can have an important impact on how investors judge risk in a particular economy. The disastrous collapse of Argentina, coupled with the government’s failure to implement reforms acceptable to the international community, has made investors more risk-averse elsewhere. It is striking that the Argentine president has urged the IMF to provide more help for Brazil: Mr Duhalde can see that a full-blown crisis in Brazil won’t help Argentina at all. Unfortunately, his own failure to deliver only makes things worse for both countries.
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

  • #2
    Is Brazil going the way of Argentina?
    hard to say, Turkey is better team then England, but Brasil is quite good too. We ll have to wait and see.

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    • #3
      It could happen, but the foundations of our economy are stronger than Argentina's.

      What is happening now is actually very simple to understand: there are some big sharks around trying to get some money from speculation and they are panicking the market using our next presidential elections as an excuse. They say that Lula (Mr. Da Silva) will not pay our debts, that he will eat little children in the breakfast and other stupid things. People are believing them because everybody wants to make some money and then the wheel keeps turning... fueling even more speculation and panic.

      Stupid capitalism.
      I watched you fall. I think I pushed.

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      • #4
        cg is definately pro-Labor Party.
        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by chegitz guevara
          cg is definately pro-Labor Party.
          Oh, yeah!
          I watched you fall. I think I pushed.

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          • #6
            You should of kept the conservatives. Once that idiot leftist you called Lula moves in... boom... all the investments pull out. An ex-communist is bad for the economy and in the end for the people. Your economy will implode in the matter of years if a capital flight continues. From where I am standing, you have just committed one of the biggest mistakes possible.

            More emphasis on social spending usually ends up with an overbloated state and a collapsing economy.

            Just kiss the stability and progress you might of had in the past fews years good bye for whatever modest it may have been. The inflation that was wiped out will be back and the banking system will fall into crisis.

            Well that is my analysis on the devasting effect that a leftist can have on an economy.

            I hope you throw out Lula as fast as Spain threw out Felipe González.

            My luck goes with Brazil and its now clouded future.
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Alexnm
              It could happen, but the foundations of our economy are stronger than Argentina's.

              What is happening now is actually very simple to understand: there are some big sharks around trying to get some money from speculation and they are panicking the market using our next presidential elections as an excuse. They say that Lula (Mr. Da Silva) will not pay our debts, that he will eat little children in the breakfast and other stupid things. People are believing them because everybody wants to make some money and then the wheel keeps turning... fueling even more speculation and panic.

              Stupid capitalism.
              Those damn money changers.
              Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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              • #8
                Yeah blame the private market.... end up like Argentina... blame the IMF... blame the capitalists... you should actually be blaming the public sector and politicans. If I were Argentine that is what I would blame for the problems that Argentina has and what Brazil will have once this Lula character is finished ruining things.
                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • #9
                  Unfortunately, his own failure to deliver only makes things worse for both countries.
                  Let me say a word in defence of Argentina for this:

                  For ten years we followed IMF instructions, for ten years we followed IMF directives by the letter and now they've let us hung to dry.

                  A couple of months ago they demanded that the Bankruptcy Law be redone in a way that would allow big companies to buy out little ones easily and they also demanded that the law of Subversion Economica, one devised to put crooked bankers in clink, be repealed and these bankers be allowed to continue as if nothing had happened. We yelled, *****ed, finally we did it. They said that as soon as that was taken care of, bam, we'd have financial assistance.

                  Now they return, demanding that we let the peso float for free along the dollar and collapse into irreversible hyperinflation (a direct result of pulling the Central Bank out of the seudo-price control).

                  Meanwhile, Latin American plunges into disaster, people's salaries collapse, unemployment rises and inflation runs rampant...

                  I'm not trying to turn the blame elsewhere, but it is my preception that the G7 would rather see Latin America (a very potential competitor for G7 in a not so far future- well, farther now) collapse into chaos and disaster to avoid competition.

                  Unless they're after a Communist Revolution sweeping across Latin America or something like that, because people are fed up.

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                  • #10
                    Stop blaming the IMF and blame your politicans for doing nothing to prevent it! Duhalde is an idiot who did the devaluation all wrong letting it slide and not following monetary policy. And goodness I hope you don't elect Carrio.

                    My best bet for Argentina is Reutemann teamed up with Lopez Murphy.

                    Communist revolution means more unemployment and inflation.

                    Good day, I really got to get my bags packed...
                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • #11
                      Argentina drank too much booze and now is blaming the bartender. Don't borrow money, you can't repay.

                      Party is over. No more wine. Time to do the dishes.

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                      • #12
                        Lopez Murphy? The man who wants public university students to foot a monthly fee? Hell, yeah, that's what we want to do with our country...

                        The IMF never restricted the money either... They knew damn well we were paying out of our reserves and that paying their exhorbitant interest was going to crush us and yet they continued lending money. And don't tell me they didn't know, because then they should all get the sack.

                        Other than that, blame the politicians, yeah, hell, easier said than done. What next I wonder? More politicians of the same school and caste? They should all be lined up and shot.

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                        • #13
                          I'm sorry, but put yourself into the shoes of someone who has to make choices concerning where to invest his or her money, or someone trying to decide whether to build that next factory in Brazil. The election of a leftist, read Marxist, hardly inspires confidence. The flight of capital is to be expected.
                          http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by El Awrence
                            Lopez Murphy? The man who wants public university students to foot a monthly fee? Hell, yeah, that's what we want to do with our country...
                            The one who wants to fire stupid do nothings in the State Sector. 500,000 of them have to go. Murphy should be designated Economy Minister if Reutemann gets elected and only then you have a chance. Your country has been spoiled enough... and don't forget I will have to be paying $6,000 for my university in California (discount because I still have residency there). There are people in this world that actually have to work for a living. Not be covered by the state in a stupid socialist system.

                            The IMF never restricted the money either... They knew damn well we were paying out of our reserves and that paying their exhorbitant interest was going to crush us and yet they continued lending money. And don't tell me they didn't know, because then they should all get the sack.
                            Who borrowed the money? You people knew you could never pay it back. You kept on borrowing and borrowing and borrowing until your drove yourself to bankruptcy. Idiocy is what I call it. And a massive government.

                            Other than that, blame the politicians, yeah, hell, easier said than done. What next I wonder? More politicians of the same school and caste? They should all be lined up and shot.
                            What else do you expect from leftists? If I were you I would get some conservative hardliners in there who actually have a plan for the future. Not some bonehead that doesn't know what they are doing.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #15
                              The one who wants to fire stupid do nothings in the State Sector. 500,000 of them have to go. Murphy should be designated Economy Minister if Reutemann gets elected and only then you have a chance.
                              *kisses medical school good-bye to become a dishwasher in a chinese restaurant*

                              Your country has been spoiled enough


                              and don't forget I will have to be paying $6,000 for my university in California (discount because I still have residency there). There are people in this world that actually have to work for a living. Not be covered by the state in a stupid socialist system.
                              You can afford it, pay up. I can't. It evidently means I only deserve to be a dishwasher.

                              [quoteWho borrowed the money? You people knew you could never pay it back. You kept on borrowing and borrowing and borrowing until your drove yourself to bankruptcy. Idiocy is what I call it. And a massive government. [/quote]

                              You try fireing 500,000 state employees. A bloody revolution, with people running rampant killing each other, that's what you'd get. Not your so needed stability.

                              What else do you expect from leftists? If I were you I would get some conservative hardliners in there who actually have a plan for the future. Not some bonehead that doesn't know what they are doing.
                              Yeah, we should. A conservative hardliner will not only erradicate our political problems (by shooting all dissenters) they will also end our poverty problems because they'll shoot all rebellious characters too, doesn't matter if they starve.

                              Giancarlo, your perception on the Argentine problem is even more narrowminded than that of the IMF... perhaps you should look a little into the social situation as well as the political as well as the sociological before coming up with the 'magic recipes' that have done us so much harm in the past ten years...

                              Jesus, ignorant smartarse...

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