Muslim Visitors to US Treated Like Criminals

[chequita guevara]

AFAIK=As Far As I Know

If you want to be a citizen, I support your right to be one. I think anyone who wants to live here and be a citizen ought to be allowed.

[Caligastia]

Im not sure if I want to be one or not. It all depends on whether they let me keep my british and NZ passports or not. It would be silly for me to give those up for an american passport.

[Felch]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Ned, a society that does not take care of its elderly is certainly guilty of a human rights violation. If it's an extended family making that care available, great. But in advanced capitalism, extended families are broken down, and the elderly do not often get that help. Therefore they must receive aid from the state. Only the state has the resources available to take care of a nation's elderly. Private charities certainly can't handle the task.

Che, **** old people. Too many of them, they should just die already. We need to encourage heavy smoking, poor diets, and not exercising. Also, we should stop doing medical research that only helps old people - we should spend that money helping little kids with cancer and whatnot. Old people piss me off, mostly because they do nothing except ***** about how little they get.

[chequita guevara]

You know, Felch X, some day you may be old too.

[Felch]

Not if I keep jerking your chains - I'm sure I'll bite the dust some time next week or so.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Ned
KH, I am still await a response to the substance of my post on the Canadian refugee issue.

Oddly enough, I lack the ability to respond to posts when not on my computer. There's a little light that appears to the left of my name. It goes on when I'm online. It has been lit for ~5 minutes in the past 36 hours, as real-life partying takes precedence over internet chatting,

That being said, your post means nothing. When I cross into the the US I always carry my birth certificate or another proof of citizenship with me, as the border guards are entitled to (and often do) ask for such proof of citizenship. A refugee to Canada does not have proof of Canadian citizenship, and the guards can easily (and I think are also required to) turn back refugees unless they have achieved landed immigrant status, a time consuming process. If you hadn't noticed, I pointed out that the US has a lot more refugees floating around in its system than we do, and that so many of these flow North (and not the other way around) that 75% of refugee claimants entering Canada do so via the US. In other words, you're more of a security threat to us than we are to you. Unlike the US, however, almost our entire population is aware of the importance of the free flow of people and goods across the border. US citizens who have the good fortune to live in the shadow of our glorious Dominion (as Guynemer does) are also aware of this necessity, and are therefore just as reluctant to let you **** with a good thing as we are. The entire economies of some northern states would probably collapse if wait times at the border were extended by more than 100%.

The major security problems that face the US are internal in large part, and those that are external have thankfully little to do with us. We've always been good neighbours (to an extent that I have trouble believing sometimes, given some of the demands you've placed on us), so please don't do the one thing that would piss off every Canadian more than any other possible action: close down the open border.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Ned
Cris, Assume for the moment we are at war with France. Can't we legally cut off visa's from France? Can't we legally cut off visa's for French citizens no matter where they came from? How would this be discrimination against US citizens of French descent?

Being French is one country, and is a nationality.
Being a Muslim is a religion and you can be from ANY country.
Furthermore, what nation are we currently in a state of hostilities with?
Iraq is the only current nation, and we do not allow free passage for them.
OBL and the Taliban are renegades, they don't represent a nation, only themselves.

Be that as it may, we are talking about "temorary" non-resident aliens in the United States. Surely we can provide laws that require the aliens to keep the US Govt. informed of their whereabouts. I believe that law already exists. I believe the US Govt. has the further right to track the current location and status of such "temporary" non resident aliens.

Such a law must apply to all, not just a target group.
Do you mean all Muslims?
Isn't that something like a quarter or a third of all people alive?

But now the question gets down to fingerprints. We want to fingerprint only selected non resident aliens. Can we do this lawfully?

You can do anything lawfully, the matter at hand is can it be done moraly, a subtle and distinct difference.

I say yes - because there is a compelling need to do so.

Really?
I don't agree with targeting a group, it only leads to resentment.

This does not, however, translate into discrimination in any manner shape or form with respect to any resident aliens or citizens. The discrimination is limited to non resident aliens, and is based on a compelling Govt. need.

Then apply it uniformly, and there can be no question as to the fairness of it.

[Ned]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Oddly enough, I lack the ability to respond to posts when not on my computer. There's a little light that appears to the left of my name. It goes on when I'm online. It has been lit for ~5 minutes in the past 36 hours, as real-life partying takes precedence over internet chatting,

That being said, your post means nothing. When I cross into the the US I always carry my birth certificate or another proof of citizenship with me, as the border guards are entitled to (and often do) ask for such proof of citizenship. A refugee to Canada does not have proof of Canadian citizenship, and the guards can easily (and I think are also required to) turn back refugees unless they have achieved landed immigrant status, a time consuming process. If you hadn't noticed, I pointed out that the US has a lot more refugees floating around in its system than we do, and that so many of these flow North (and not the other way around) that 75% of refugee claimants entering Canada do so via the US. In other words, you're more of a security threat to us than we are to you. Unlike the US, however, almost our entire population is aware of the importance of the free flow of people and goods across the border. US citizens who have the good fortune to live in the shadow of our glorious Dominion (as Guynemer does) are also aware of this necessity, and are therefore just as reluctant to let you **** with a good thing as we are. The entire economies of some northern states would probably collapse if wait times at the border were extended by more than 100%.

The major security problems that face the US are internal in large part, and those that are external have thankfully little to do with us. We've always been good neighbours (to an extent that I have trouble believing sometimes, given some of the demands you've placed on us), so please don't do the one thing that would piss off every Canadian more than any other possible action: close down the open border.

Thanks, KH, for the response. I understand that Ridge is talking with your country about increasing security. He confirmed that the issue of the undocumented refugees is being discussed. They are also discussing how to increase security for cross-border traffic.

Actually, the open border practically makes Canada and the US one "people." Except for the French Canadians, there is very little difference between Canadians and Americans. I've always wondered why we don't talk union. I suspect the main impediment all along was not the Canadian people, but England.

[KrazyHorse]

I suspect you have little understanding of the Canadian psyche. I'm not an USAian and never will be. *Knocks wood*

You've tried to forcibly annex us twice, and we're not letting you pull off a bloodless coup. It might play down South, but even such a loose union as the EU wouldn't play in most parts of this country.

"There are two rules in Canadian politics: never get too close to the Americans, and never pull too far away from them"

Union is too close. We might not know who exactly we are, but we know we're not you.

[Guynemer]

Et vive la difference!

[KrazyHorse]

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Union is too close. We might not know who exactly we are, but we know we're not you.

What about being a vassal state? Is that close enough?

[KrazyHorse]

That chafes. "Honoured Ally" sounds better...

[nationalist]

Originally posted by DinoDoc


What about being a vassal state? Is that close enough?

[Panag]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
That chafes. "Honoured Ally" sounds better...

hi ,

sure , just to close the back garden , ...

have a nice day