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    Ashcroft Proposes Fingerprinting Visas' Holders
    By ERIC SCHMITT


    ASHINGTON, June 5 — Declaring that the Sept. 11 attacks had made the flaws in American immigration procedures "starkly clear," Attorney General John Ashcroft proposed new regulations today requiring tens of thousands of Muslim and Middle Eastern visa holders to register with the government and be fingerprinted.

    Mr. Ashcroft said the changes are necessary to deal with a new kind of enemy in a changed world, as demonstrated by the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

    "A band of men entered our country under false pretenses in order to plan and execute murderous acts of war," the attorney general said. "Some entered the country several years in advance; others entered several months in advance. Once inside the United States, they were easily able to avoid contact with authorities and to violate the terms of their visas with impunity."

    There is nothing un-American about requiring visa-holders to register and be fingerprinted, Mr. Ashcroft said, tacitly acknowledging criticism that began to emerge as word of the new procedures began to spread on Tuesday. He said United States' immigration procedures are considerably behind and less rigorous than those in many European countries.

    "In this new war, our enemies' platoons infiltrate our border, quietly blending in with visitors and tourists and students and workers," Mr. Ashcroft said today. "They move unnoticed through our cities and neighborhoods and public spaces. They wear no uniforms. Their camouflage is not forest green, but rather it's the color of common street clothing."

    Mr. Ashcroft said the new steps would be "a vital line of defense in the war against terrorism," and that the criteria for who will be compelled to register and be fingerprinted will be continually updated.

    "We are an open country," the Attorney General said. "We will continue to greet our international neighbors with good will."

    The initiative, the subject of intense debate within the administration, is designed for "individuals from countries who pose the highest risk to our security," including most visa holders from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and many other Muslim nations, officials said on Tuesday.

    More than 100,000 foreigners, including students, workers, researchers and tourists, all foreigners from designated countries who do not hold green cards, would probably be covered by the plan, Mr. Ashcroft said today.

    Antiterrorism teams made up of federal, state and local officers that have been formed in most larger cities since the Sept. 11 attacks would help immigration officials register visa holders already living here, using procedures similar to those employed to find 5,000 mainly Middle Eastern men who were sought for interviews after the attacks.

    New arrivals from the designated countries would be fingerprinted at airports or seaports and be required to register with the Immigration and Naturalization Service after 30 days in the country, officials said. Violators could be fined, refused re-entry into the United States or possibly deported.

    The plan will be published in the Federal Register. After a comment period, it will become a Justice Department regulation.

    The proposal ignited a raging debate in the Bush administration. White House officials supported the Justice proposal, but the State Department lodged objections, fearing diplomatic repercussions with allies in the war on terror, administration officials said.

    Today, the White House spokesman, Ari Fleischer, made no mention of any debate. "There is no question that there are laws on the books that allow the United States government to protect the American people," he said in advance of Mr. Ashcroft's announcement.

    "And the president knows that we can take action to protect people that is fully in accordance with protecting civil rights and civil liberties," Mr. Fleischer added.

    Immigration specialists, meantime, are warning of new backlogs at airports if already understaffed immigration service inspectors are required to fingerprint and process a new category of visitors.

    In his announcement this afternoon, Mr. Ashcroft said fingerprinting was essential. "Terrorists and wanted criminals often attempt to enter the country using assumed names or false documents, false passports," Mr. Ashcroft said, "but fingerprints don't lie."

    But some civil liberties and Arab-American groups have expressed outrage at the proposed requirements, arguing that such a policy was a blatant example of racial and ethnic profiling.

    "What's the logic of this?" Jeanne Butterfield, executive director of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, said on Tuesday as word of the changes spread in the capital. "Anyone who's truly dangerous is not going to show up to be registered."

    James J. Zogby, president of the Arab American Institute, a policy organization, said the registration plan would be "an overtly discriminatory, inefficient and ineffective way to deal with the problem."

    "This is targeting a group of people, the overwhelming majority of whom are innocent, but whose lives will be turned upside down," Mr. Zogby added. "The message it sends is that we're becoming like the Soviet Union, with people registering at police stations."

    The authority for proposing the new registration requirements rests in a long-dormant provision in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, administration officials said.

    A section of that law requires all foreign visa holders to register with the government if they remain in the United States for 30 days or longer. The law also required the fingerprinting of virtually all foreigners who were not permanent residents, except for diplomats.

    The law remained on the books, but enforcement fell off in the early 1980's when the volume of visa holders climbed rapidly and the immigration service's budget and staffing dropped.

    "By the early 1980's, the sheer volume of the effort combined with a lack of funding resulted in the practice being discontinued," said one administration official.

    In 1979, the same year as the beginning of the Iranian hostage crisis, Iranian students were required to register with the government. After the attacks last year, most visa holders from Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Libya were fingerprinted as they entered the United States.

    But the terrorist attacks had given fresh impetus to a much broader program. One administration official said the new registration proposal would give the government a leg up on identifying the highest-risk foreign visitors now living in the United States.

    Congress has required that the Immigration and Naturalization Service establish a system to monitor the entry and departure of all immigrants, beginning in 2003.

    But other officials said the contentious proposal broke free from an internal administration debate only amid the recent recriminations over what intelligence the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Central Intelligence Agency and other federal agencies possessed before Sept. 11 about the possibilities of a terrorist attack.

    One of the leaders of the interagency discussion on the alien registration proposal is a conservative University of Missouri at Kansas City law professor, Kris W. Kobach, officials said.

    Although Mr. Kobach, 36, is only a White House fellow on temporary assignment to the Justice Department, he also played a central role in another contentious proposal to give state and local police departments the power to track down illegal immigrants as a new tactic in the global war on terror.


    Why is that idiot Ashcroft still allowed to speak? We can find an assasin for JFK, but not for this crazy?!
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    Imran, Are you really threatening to kill John Ashcroft? Why not just ask him to resign?
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    • #3
      Well, that's the man you wanted to be President's administration. Not mine!
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      • #4
        Imran, Are you really threatening to kill John Ashcroft? Why not just ask him to resign?


        Bullet is quicker .
        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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        • #5
          I was listening to the Bill O'Reilly program this morning which discussed the problem we're having with Canada and it's rather open "refugee" policy. Apparently the Canadians allow refugees from across the world at to enter Canada without any papers whatsoever. The refugees then can enter the United States across an extremely open border between United States Canada. Whatever we do with respect to U.S. airports and fingerprinting aliens from selected countries, there really is no way we can prevent a terrorist from entering United States through Canada.
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          • #6
            oh jesus. ok, go ahead and call me a rascist for saying this, but i honestly believe it.

            profiling, and the like, are PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE in my eyes.

            if you have wolves in your area, killing livestock, what do you do? you LOOK OUT FOR WOLVES. it doesnt matter if it's a timid wolf, ITS STILL A GODDAMNED WOLF. sorry if we inconvience you for the sake of millions of others.
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            • #7
              I'd rather not give up my liberties because of security. Fascism sucks.
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • #8
                There is very little we can do to fight terrorism now. Look at Israel with all of their security apparatus. It just makes them mad. We and our guests will slowly lose most of our freedoms and the terrorists will do pretty much what they want. They win and we lose. We think we are winning the war on terrorism but they are just laughing while they wait...

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                • #9
                  Imran, it's nice to hear you complain and all, but will this have an effect of the Muslim vote in the US?
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                  • #10
                    Imran, it's nice to hear you complain and all, but will this have an effect of the Muslim vote in the US?


                    It just may... now to get Muslims to vote more .

                    Michigan, it might REALLY have an effect.
                    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                    • #11
                      Why do people insist on thinking ashcroft is on some sort of crusade to violate peoples civil liberties and spy on them? All he's doing is trying to make this a country a little bit damn safer from terrorist scumbags.

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                      • #12
                        i guess being affected by 9/11 skews my opinion. whatever.
                        "I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
                        - Ender, from Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card

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                        • #13
                          Why do people insist on thinking ashcroft is on some sort of crusade to violate peoples civil liberties and spy on them?


                          Because that is also what he did BEFORE 9/11 . Civil Liberties aren't important to the man, and being a Civil Libertarian, that bothers me.... enough to make this Republican possibly NOT vote Republican in 2004 (probably Libertarian, unless the Dems have a good candidate).
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by faded glory
                            Why do people insist on thinking ashcroft is on some sort of crusade to violate peoples civil liberties and spy on them? All he's doing is trying to make this a country a little bit damn safer from terrorist scumbags.
                            Because of his record. As a Senator, Ashcroft often supported unconstitutional laws resrtictive of personal liberties as part of his moral, self-righteous crusading. He is now using the "War on Terror" as a cover for carrying out the same crusades as AG. Thankfully SCOTUS shut him down over his meddling in Oregon's Assisted Suicide Law (what happened to state's rights?).

                            He wants to make the country safer for WASPs, that's about all he cares about.
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                            • #15
                              Imran, just a minor point, but why do foreigners staying in United States have the right not to be fingerprinted and tracked by the federal government? What fundamental human right is being violated?

                              As far as I know, foreigners have no "right" to enter the United States at all. If we allow foreigners to enter the United States, why can't we condition that entry on complying with regulations that require a foreigner to keep their whereabouts known to United States government. This seems entirely reasonable, doesn't it? In fact I think that is what the law it is presently, at least according to the article.

                              I think the fingerprinting aspect of the new regulations is also entirely appropriate given the fact that we are under attack by terrorist groups who are using false documents.

                              I think your primary concern is that only foreigners from selected countries are required to complying with the new regulations. Those countries of course are countries have a majority Muslim population. But aren't these the same countries that currently harbor the very terrorists that are trying to attack us?

                              Undoubtedly there will be a legal challenge to the new rules. I predict however that if this case ever reaches the U.S. Supreme Court, that the Court will uphold the regulations against any assertion that they violate the fundamental rights of foreigners under any portion of the United States Constitution.
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