Muslim Visitors to US Treated Like Criminals

[Panag]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Would it be better if we simply sharply reduced the number of Visas given to people originating in Muslim countries? Perhaps we could limit permission to enter the US from those countries to people who can prove that they have a bone fide business reason to enter the US. Since it takes two to do business they would have to supply confirmation form a source within the US.

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smart , ........but the guy's on hill never thought about it , ..

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[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Would it be better if we simply sharply reduced the number of Visas given to people originating in Muslim countries? Perhaps we could limit permission to enter the US from those countries to people who can prove that they have a bone fide business reason to enter the US. Since it takes two to do business they would have to supply confirmation form a source within the US.

The same principle applies to student visa's which is one of the holes they're trying to plug. The problem is visitor visa's. Virtually anyone can enter the USA with a visitors visa then disappear. In order for there to be any control over who enters the US there has to be electronic surveillance of everyone (fingerprinting and/or face recognition) at all major entry points (you cant cover them all).

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Why only hijacking planes? We all know that no Christian ever killed hundreds of people by detonating a truck-bomb in front of a buildi...

No christian slaughtered Jews some tens year ago ?

No jews settler slaughter muslims too ?

But for terrorism culture, it's entering more & more in the extremist muslim way of action. It's true.

Since it's a just logical side-effect of Western Imperialism on Muslim people. The poverty of many Arabs country allows extremist & violant groups to have a too important hearing inside Muslim community.

[drake]

[Ned]

KN, I'll drop the issue of the 9/11 hijackers for the moment. Why don't you address the substance of my posts for a second. The nut of what I said is that tightening security at US airports makes no sense if terrorists can enter Canada as refugees with no papers as all, obtain Canadian papers and merely drive across the border.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by rmsharpe
I don't care what anyone says, but I think that they should fingerprint and photograph every Saudi, Yemeni, etc. in the United States.

How many Jews hijacked planes in the last 25 years? Zero.
Christians? Zero. Buddhists? Zero.

Muslims?...

Oh goody! Look who's back! The little trolly-troll from CivFanatics. You gonna stick around this time, Sparky? We're starting to run low on quasi-fascist trolls around here, so we have an abundance of positions available for you.

[Caligastia]

Thats right, we have too many quasi-communist trolls here.

[Chris 62]

Chris 62, The equal protection clause applies to citizens, but does it applies to visiting aliens as a condition for entry? What if there is a valid reason for the unequal treatment and a compelling governmental need?

Well Ned, This goes to the very tenants of American society, that ALL people must be equal before the law.
I support the US and Israel, but that DOESN'T mean I will sit back and watch Muslim people treated as criminals and second class citizens.
One Manzanar in US history is still one to many.

We haven't gone this far yet, but I can see a wholesale ban on visa's for aliens from selected countries being constitutional.

It will NEVER be constitutional, although it may someday be law.

Ashcroft needs to remember we are fighting terrorists, not Islam.

[chequita guevara]

The Consitution is, among other things, a set of limitations on the conduct of the government. The government is limited in its conduct regardless of with whomever it is dealing. The SCUSA has repeatedly held that the Constitution applies to foreign nationals residing within the US.

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The Consitution is, among other things, a set of limitations on the conduct of the government. The government is limited in its conduct regardless of with whomever it is dealing. The SCUSA has repeatedly held that the Constitution applies to foreign nationals residing within the US.

Wrong again, some protections of the constitution apply only to citizens, some apply to residents (with some gray area between legal and illegal residents), some (a small amount) apply to all persons.

[chequita guevara]

Aside from voting, what only applies to citizens? (Up 'till 1853, non-citizens were allowed to vote, BTW. Congress changed that.)

[SpencerH]

As far as I know its only voting (I'm not sure about social security).

[Ned]

Cris, Assume for the moment we are at war with France. Can't we legally cut off visa's from France? Can't we legally cut off visa's for French citizens no matter where they came from? How would this be discrimination against US citizens of French descent?

Be that as it may, we are talking about "temorary" non-resident aliens in the United States. Surely we can provide laws that require the aliens to keep the US Govt. informed of their whereabouts. I believe that law already exists. I believe the US Govt. has the further right to track the current location and status of such "temporary" non resident aliens.

But now the question gets down to fingerprints. We want to fingerprint only selected non resident aliens. Can we do this lawfully?

I say yes - because there is a compelling need to do so.

This does not, however, translate into discrimination in any manner shape or form with respect to any resident aliens or citizens. The discrimination is limited to non resident aliens, and is based on a compelling Govt. need.

[Ned]

KH, I am still await a response to the substance of my post on the Canadian refugee issue.

[chequita guevara]

Social security isn't a Constitutional right, though it's certainly a human right.