Race mixing

[Caligastia]

Tingkai-
You already have your mind made up about me, so I cant be bothered trying to change it. You dont want to listen.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Ergo, the white race, by this rationale, is superior, as you only want "small mixtures" from the other races. Sounds like white supremacy to me.

The reason I was proposing small mixtures is for social reasons, not because I want to keep the white race "pure". I would say the same for any other race, that for the sake of social stability, small mixtures might be the way to go.

Why are you so focused on creating the master...er, ideal race? Do you faovr eugenics then to weed out unfavorable racial characteristics? Which are the best specimens, and which are the less-than-best? Who judges that?

I favor non-coercive eugenics. Genetic engineering that is. Nobody is competent to judge who is the best specimen and who isnt, but we can eliminate defective genes through genetic engineering.

[SlowwHand]

Defective genes, as in those that cause disease?

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Defective genes, as in those that cause disease?

No, the ripped and faded ones that wont stay up any more.


Yes, I am referring to disease causing genes.

[TCO]

Cal, it seems like you are confusing two different ideas.

1. Mixing of peoples genetically.
2. Mixing of peoples geographically.

The two are different and do not necessarily go together. I know you want to talk about both, but you need to clarify your thoughts.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by GP
Cal, it seems like you are confusing two different ideas.

1. Mixing of peoples genetically.
2. Mixing of peoples geographically.

The two are different and do not necessarily go together. I know you want to talk about both, but you need to clarify your thoughts.

Ok, hows this?

Mixing of peoples (different races) is always genetically a good thing.

Mixing of peoples geographically is ok in moderation, but if it gets out of hand, too much competition can be created.

Those are my thoughts.

Better?

[TCO]

clearer...

[Caligastia]

Your thoughts?

[TCO]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Your thoughts?

Already stated. I'm not in favor of country-specific quotas (wether to limit or increase diversity).

I think if we ration entry it should be with some kind of crietria that lets us get "good citizens". Possible items: ability to get a good job (brain drain), sympathy to US values/knowledge of our history (a "mini" vesion of the test for citizenry), English language ability.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Tingkai-
You already have your mind made up about me, so I cant be bothered trying to change it. You dont want to listen.

I am listening to you. I'm listening to how you dig a hole in the ground. I'm listening to your incoherent statements. I'm listening to your nebulous statements. I'm listening to how you say "I wonder if" when you really mean "I believe."

Let's sum up your comments:
1) You repeated state that you "wonder" if the elimination of race criteria in the 1965 immigration act has led to increased racial tension, when in fact you have already made up your mind that it has created this tension.
2) You claim that multicultural immigration creates racial tension, but you have provided no evidence to back up this belief.
3) You think that immigration should be done in "moderation," but you have failed to define what you mean by moderation.
4) You think that racism is the fault of immigratants rather than racists.

Do you have any evidence to back up your beliefs?

[TCO]

hmmm...maybe he's worried about his own visa?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by GP


Already stated. I'm not in favor of country-specific quotas (wether to limit or increase diversity).

I think if we ration entry it should be with some kind of crietria that lets us get "good citizens". Possible items: ability to get a good job (brain drain), sympathy to US values/knowledge of our history (a "mini" vesion of the test for citizenry), English language ability.

I wouldn't worry too much about English language and US values.

Look at the history of immigration to North America. In most cases, the first generation struggles with English if it is not their native language, but the second generation is fluent in English.

As for US values, I think most immigrants admire and want to be part of the American society, just as most immigrants to Canada want to be part of Canadian society. The immigrants to North America are far different from the economic migrants to Hong Kong, for example. Most expats have no great love for the Hong Kong way of life.

[TCO]

Ting,

It's not a big concern to me. But if we need a filter, this might be one. Basically would be a "lighter version" of the citizenry test that we give. Also, for those people who do worry about Balkanization (perhaps they feel the melting pot is less effective...been replaced by a salad bowl or whatever), than this would be a more direct way to address those concerns and would not be ethnically based (as country quotas are.)

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Everyone seems so sure that given time, racial bigotry will be reduced through integration. Is there any evidence for this?

Yes. Every mixed neighborhood is proof.

Has this happened in the past with other civilizations? Have racial tensions increased or decreased in the US since non-white immigration was increased?

Decreased. Even you should be able to tell. I don't see people using electric cattle prods on people for wanting to vote anymore.

I think the answers to these questions are not as simple as many people think. It would be fantastic if we could have a society of diverse people without racial tension, but is it just a pipe dream?

I think they are pretty darn clear and only the blind, ignorant or racist would deny that.

[Aeson]

Mixing of peoples geographically is ok in moderation, but if it gets out of hand, too much competition can be created.

To create racially biased legislation would be to reinforce the opinion that race matters. To try and disguise 'protect the white majority' as a reduction in immigration numbers (all around) is no different in the message it sends. It panders to those who are racially biased.