Race mixing

[TCO]

Yeah. Sometimes if you want something to get done, you have to do it yourself...

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by David James
I think that's deluded as well (that is, I agree with your first two sentences). But unfortunately, by "tearing down the walls" you also run the risk of eliminating diversity and creating a mono-cultural, mono-racial world. It will seem to be diverse while the process is underway, but once complete it sure won't be. You can't in the long run (decades, centuries, whatever) have both a diverse society and a fully integrated one at the same time.

I don't think this one biological race theory will ever happen. Inter-racial marriages will swing back and forth.

My grandmother was white, my grandfather was Chinese, my mother looks predominately white.

My father is chinese, my sisters and I look predominately Chinese (make sense when you think that three of four grandparents are Chinese)

My sister's husband is white, their two boys look white (husband's grandparents are white (four), my sister's grandparents are three Chinese, one white so the kids g-grandparents are five white, three Chinese)

If one of the boys marries a chinese girl then their kids will have five white great-great-grandparents and 11 Chinese great-great-grandparents so that child will likely look Chinese. If the wife is white then three Chinese g-g-grandparents and 13 white g-g-grandparents, the child will likely look white.

Edit: changed references to grandparents, great-grandparents, great-great grandparents.

[TCO]

math is off, Tingkai...

[Tingkai]

Thanks. I think I fixed the problems. I got mixed up on references to grandparents.

[TCO]

looks good now

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by MrFun
Too many misperceptions in this thread from a couple people that includes Cal. But let me add my own points:

1) There is and always was a black sub-culture. Any group of people that has a different historical experience from another group of people within a country, will develop their own ways of doing things, which forms a basis of a culture.
Blacks developed their own culture from their experience with slavery and then after emancipation, blacks continued to develop their culture with this great change. To say that American blacks do not have their own culture shows ignorance.

Sub-culture does NOT equal a seprate culture. I am not ignorant on this. The small differences between blacks in black neighborhoods and whites in white neighborhoods have at least much to do with the differing amounts of money as they do historical backgrounds.

4) Some people seem to believe that mono-culture and the elimination of diversity will be the only way to eradicate racism. I find this to be a tragic delusion. I can appreciate diversity of race and culture, while also advocating taking down the walls between the different groups.

There are differences between a mono-culture and a diverse OVERLAPPING culture versus two seperate cultures.Same for genetic diversity. That is why I used Brazil as an example. It has NOT eliminated diversity. It has such a broad range that you can't make a distinction anymore.

Low diversity in any species is very bad. It leads to rapid spread of disease and a lack of adapability to changing conditions. Broad diversity is not the same as having mulltiple races though.

5) Supporting affirmative action does not mean that one also supports race wars, or erecting walls between groups. AA opponents often conjure up this strawman argument to distort the claims of those who support affirmative action.

Affirmative action is based on discrimination. Its an attempt to correct a wrong with another wrong. I feel it should only be used on the egregious cases where a group has done major harm by discriminating AND the harm can mitigated by affirmative action and there is no other way to get the ogranization integrated enough to stop further intentional segragation.

In other words the court has rightly mandated AA a number times. That doesn't mean that every organization should have racial quotas.

I first ran accross that racial crap when I was filling out forms for college.

RACE _________________

My favorite entery

RACEHomo Neanderthalensis

Lets see the bastards prove otherwise.

[MrFun]

Ethelred, thanks for presenting intelligent counter-arguments without trolling, or using slanderous words just because you disagree with me.

Some others who disagree with me, could learn from you on more legitimate ways to argue. If can think of more elaborations, I will return.

Thanks for your points to consider.

[TCO]

Fun, Nobody trolls you. You are just oversensative.

[MrFun]

I have been called extreme PC, racist, neo-racist, and a few other slanderous names that do not fit me at all.

Really though -- many of us, including me sometimes, just get way too emotional and use slander against one another.

The strongest word I usually use, is ignorant and that only means that "you do not know any better." It's better than just calling someone stupid or dumb.

[TCO]

Fun, you are "fun" to mess with...

cheer up! Go to bed.

[MrFun]

I sooooooo need to get some sleep.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Tingkai


Cali desperately tries to avoid going up in a puff of logic, but fails.

Is it so hard for you to understand that race can be a factor in some situations but not others? For example if a movie is being made about Napoleon then they are going to need a white actor, but if a company wants to hire a computer tech it doesnt matter what race the person is.

Think about these things before you start patting yourself on the back.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by GP
I agree with Tingkai that national quotas should not be used in this way. If we want to constrain immigration, it makes more sense to restrict immigrants by some color blind test of the attributes we decide we want. For instance language ability, job skills, dedication to Amreican ideals (real basic ones like honesty and freedom, agreeable to Republicans and Democrats). But such screeens should be color blind. no quotas, one way or the other.

It would be a step in the right direction, but would it be enough to curb racial tensions?

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Zhu Yuanzhang
Hmmm a ways up the thread in one of his less coherent bits Cal says the he favors achieving a "one race" country. How exactly are we got go about this, I wouldn't really like to know before your puff finishes dissipating

Not so much a "one race" country, but at least a country where one race is the vast majority. Isnt this what we would end up with anyway if we continue to mix races on a grand scale? As I said, I think race mixing is good biologically, but race mixing on the present scale seems to have a great social cost (race riots etc). Is the social cost worth the biological benefit?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by GP
Why do people always give such low troll scores. It's almost llike they want to give lower scores to more effective and hateful trolls. This is definitly more than a 1 or 2. I gave somebody a 5/10 recently...even though I hated their comment because it was original and insiciviely cutting.

I really hated Lincoln's "eating troll" but it was clearly a high scorer...

I give scores all over the map. Recently gave someone a 9.8/10 score. Can't remember who...