India threatens war

[Defiant]

I am not sure of the exact sales dollars but I believe as you do we did sell them F-16's and rockets, since that was what the whole war was, rocket bombardment.

[Az]

Dalgetti, havent we tried that already? I mean, you kick the arabs ass every war. We killed the Iraqi's.....etc. I think we proved western equipment is better

arabs have the worst combination for troop quality. They don't have conscription , but they draft in times of war. With each of our soldiers drafted being a conscript for 3 years, he's as ready as a proffesional warrior, while they have hords of kids with AK-47s.

Iraq was a joke of an army , it's troops were lousily prepared, despite it being the 5th in the world by size , or something, and that compared to the army of the USA , one of the worlds super powers, or by then , the only one.

[faded glory]

hey difiant. Wisconsin eh? Anywhere near Racine?

Oh and Rockets? F-16's are horrible rocket crafts and the Iraqi's/Irani's didnt have them, Iran did have F-4 phantoms tho from the Shah. Both sides used ****loads of Katuysha's.

wow whata threadjack!


Do you think the Taliban/Al-queda have an interest in escalating this conflict between India and pakistan?

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Dalgetti
The Admiral Gorshkov? let me check up with my dad. ok , he's not sure , but most chances are it's a Varyag . They're good, and carry SU-27s , IIRC , but I wonder in what condition is it.

Dad's wrong, sorry. The Varyag (which was Ukrainian property) got sold to the Chinese Nav....I'm sorry, a "Venture Capitalist Group" in Macao.

In fact, the damn thing was towed around in a giant circle in the Black Sea for a Year because the Turks wouldn't let it through. (It had no engine, and if it got loose it could have blocked the Bospherous and Dardnelles.)

At one point, a mysterious Helicopter landed on it's deck, by the time the guys who were towing it reached the ship, the 'copter had taken off, leaving this engomatic message:

"The French were here."

[Defiant]

Dal,
Be careful, you are right they were the 5th largest standing army in the world. It's amazing how fast you can get wiped out when in a day you lose your Command and Control structure do to Stealth bombers(they never saw them coming), Tomahawk missiles(can't stop them), superior air control and then 16" guns off the Wisconsin and Missouri just pounding the **** out of your positions to the point they were surrending to journalists. Republican guard is battled hardened and they didn't stand a chance against Western technology. You could have stuck your Israeli soldiers in their position and the outcome would have been the same. It is just superior firepower and technology. Then again that is why we spend so much money for technology, cause it works.

[Defiant]

Faded,
I meant MLRS for rocket attacks, I am in Plover, about the middle of the state. 2.5 hours from Racine.
You bet Al Queda wants the conflict in Pak-Ind, divert US's attention and possibly troops, same as Huessan wanting the Israeli-Palestine conflict to worsen or maintain.

[Andrew1999]

The "Admiral Gorshkov" that India is buying is the last of the old Kiev-class Yak carriers. It was going to be the "Baku" but then Baku decided to leave the USSR. The "Admiral Kuznetsov" is the one that can carry MiGs and Su's, and the Russians have kept it as their only working carrier. The "Varyag" was the same class as "Admiral Kuznetsov".

[David Floyd]

Regarding the carrier, it's frankly irrelevant for the next several years, as it is nowhere NEAR operational, and even if it were I doubt India has the money, men, or naval aircraft - or escorts - to put it to sea anyway.

However, the Viraat should be enough to shut down Pakistan's navy, although if it gets within range of Pakistani aircraft, I think it'll go down fast. Harriers vs. F-16s isn't exactly fair, but if India loses the carrier they take a huge hit in terms of morale and their position of strength as viewed by the outside world.

Therefore, India will probably keep its navy well offshore, negating its effectiveness in providing a viable threat, such as the USN/USMC did to Iraq in the Persian Gulf War.

So, I don't think India's naval superiority will be a factor in the war, also keeping in mind their small amphibious capacity (IIRC, around a dozen LSTs and other smaller craft).

[Ramo]

Hopefully, this is just posturing, but... I don't know...

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by faded glory
We didnt arm anybody in Iran-Iraq? I dont think. We did give some money to Iraq, but not enough really to do very much, except say buy a dozen airplanes. The Russians sold 60 billion worth of equipment to Baghdad.

We did. We gave some Hawk Missile to Iran for money up front and then gave the money to anti Communist in Nic.

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Pakistani India India Iraq in the Persian Gulf War.

India's

The real problem is which way is the wind going to blow on that day they nuc. each other. China and SE Asia can be hit by fallout and also all of the Stan's country even Iran and Russia. The big question is what will those country do if they get hit with lots of radiation and lots of people died. China could used that to finaly take the land they have claim for years from India.
BTW the Dem. will blame Bush for not stopping the War.

[David Floyd]

Just so long as Bush keeps us out of it, I really don't care too much what happens

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Regarding the carrier, it's frankly irrelevant for the next several years, as it is nowhere NEAR operational, and even if it were I doubt India has the money, men, or naval aircraft - or escorts - to put it to sea anyway.

However, the Viraat should be enough to shut down Pakistan's navy, although if it gets within range of Pakistani aircraft, I think it'll go down fast. Harriers vs. F-16s isn't exactly fair, but if India loses the carrier they take a huge hit in terms of morale and their position of strength as viewed by the outside world.

Therefore, India will probably keep its navy well offshore, negating its effectiveness in providing a viable threat, such as the USN/USMC did to Iraq in the Persian Gulf War.

So, I don't think India's naval superiority will be a factor in the war, also keeping in mind their small amphibious capacity (IIRC, around a dozen LSTs and other smaller craft).

Remember, Pakistan has ten modern submarines, (French and German boats, IIRC), so I suspect there will be the mpost widespread naval warfare seen since the Falklands.

[monkspider]

Can any of our Military gurus here speculate on the likelihood and viability of a Chinese invasion of Northern India if this war breaks out?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by monkspider
Can any of our Military gurus here speculate on the likelihood and viability of a Chinese invasion of Northern India if this war breaks out?

Why would the Chinese want to invade Northern India?