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  • #31
    Originally posted by Saint Marcus
    And because Arafat was democratically elected, and fairly.
    Yeah, and if you believe that, I've got this bridge I'd like to sell you...

    -Arrian
    grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

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    • #32
      the election were considered fair by international observers.
      Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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      • #33
        Big talk from both sides. Will one use nukes???? Who has the balls! Myself, I see both sides not willing to use a nuke no matter what. I think the world would not take well to something like that.

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        • #34
          how can muslims dislike the Islam?


          I dislike Islam, St. Marcus.
          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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          • #35
            Originally posted by red_jon
            They, like many third world countries, were used as porns by the US and USSR in the Cold War.
            Used as porns? Is that what this is all about?
            Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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            He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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            • #36
              this is absolutely horrible, I really don't like the sounds of India's call for a "decisive" battle over kashmir.
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              • #37
                What is the nuclear capability of the two countries. I think that India is more advanced in that respect.

                Do you know that there is more Muslims in India than in Pakistan, India is the second biggest muslim country in the world. So Pakistan would very likely be killing their own if they make a nuclear strike.
                Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
                GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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                • #38
                  What I do not understand is what is India's objective? If they did defeat Pakistan and take over, they will set off a Muslim/terrorist resistance that will make the Middle East look pale by comparison. There only alternative is to give up their claim to Kashmir.

                  Again, what I think needs to be done is that the people Kashmir should vote on what they will like to do. India, Pakistan and China should all agree to abide by the outcome.
                  Last edited by Ned; May 23, 2002, 00:33.
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                  • #39
                    I dislike Islam, St. Marcus.
                    can someone clarify...is muslim a person of a certain ethnic background, or of a certain religion?
                    Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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                    • #40
                      can someone clarify...is muslim a person of a certain ethnic background, or of a certain religion?


                      If the Jews can claim ethnicity, so can Muslims .
                      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                      • #41
                        I heard a BBC report this morning stating that India has over 40 Nukes, and Pakistan 20. India has a much better long distance delivery system than PAK does and also has the ability to increase the yeild somewhat ..

                        Pak could reach Delhi, but Bombay is just out of range of Pak .. However all Pak's major cities happen to be next to the Border ..

                        Pakistan would not stand a chance in all out war, but nobody would gain from such an action, the people of Kashmir would still wish to be independant of either power, and India would not want to rule Pak.

                        So its my opinion that the status quo will be maintained .. better the devil you know .. than the devils you don't
                        "Wherever wood floats, you will find the British" . Napoleon

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                        • #42
                          I'd like to know why the West is just sitting by and letting tensions boil over. Where the hell is Powell???? or even the UN for that matter????
                          "Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movements and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance, for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us." --MLK Jr.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by DetroitDave
                            I'd like to know why the West is just sitting by and letting tensions boil over. Where the hell is Powell???? or even the UN for that matter????

                            Erm, we're in daily contact with Pakistan and India and an Assistant Secretary of State will arrive in the area quite soon.


                            Do you honestly think everyone is just sitting on their arses and doing nothing?
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                            • #44
                              :waits patiently for someone to figure out how to blame the USA for this:

                              I agree that the "decisive battle" comment is scary. But I highly doubt either side will use nukes. That may be only because I find it hard to comprehend that anyone would be that stupid in this day and age, though.

                              Send in the UN, have a big vote with 3 choices: India, Pakistan, Independence. Not that either side would really want that, and not that I think the UN could really pull that off, but it's nice to think about.

                              As for US involvement, Dave, we're in quite a pickle. We owe Pakistan for the War on Terror, and have historically had poor relations with India. But as we all know, there are a lot of Islamic fundies in Pakistan who are willing to kill people to wrangle Kashmir away from India (or at least that's what they think they're doing). Musharraf says he's trying to crack down on the militancy, but India is claiming increased attacks which they blame on Pakistan. Tough one for us. Personally, I'd love to pass this one off on the UN.

                              -Arrian
                              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                                can someone clarify...is muslim a person of a certain ethnic background, or of a certain religion?


                                If the Jews can claim ethnicity, so can Muslims .
                                Unlike Jews, muslims have not descended from one tribe.
                                "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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