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  • #61
    Most of the tribes went caput when the kingdom of Israel had fallen.
    The only tribe left, in significant numbers, was Yehuda, Jehuda, Jews.


    Natan disagrees with you. And I'm more apt to believe him .

    India's natural state is to be partitioned. A unified subcontinent is much more the exception than the rule. Even being in only three parts (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh) is anomalous--it's usually been more like a dozen. There's a ton of distinct langauges, cultures and ethnic groups, with differences greater than those in the EU.


    Ah, he speaks the truth. The subcontinent has a variety of cultures of its own. No pahs from me .
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    • #62
      Musharraf has said that Pakistan will use nuclear weapons if it is under serious threat. India has says that they will only use their nuclear capability in retaliation...

      Lightblue's odds on nuclear war in the Indian subcontinent by the end of the year: 12-1
      By the end of the decade: 3-1
      Odds on general war without nuclear exchange this year: 2-1

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Saint Marcus
        kaput
        kaputt

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        • #64
          I think war is likely within the week. Given India's numerical superiority, it might be that Pakistan will nuke Indian troops. However, according to those on this thread, India would only have superiority in a small operation. If a general war broke out, Pakistan would have the advantage, so rather than escalating to nukes, they may escalate to an full scale war, at which point India might feel the need to nuke Pakistan.
          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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          • #65
            The question is: will they only nuke when their cities are in danger or also when their troops are inferior at some point? Civ or EU?

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            • #66
              I tend to think that if war breaks out , it will be pakistan who'll need the nukes first.
              urgh.NSFW

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              • #67
                bye bye Delhi

                how many people live there? 10-20 million?
                Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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                • #68
                  are you certain they'd nuke a capital city at once?

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                  • #69
                    Well, they might go after Bombay
                    Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                    • #70
                      There's no reason to assume they'd go after each other's cities at first.
                      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                      • #71
                        Does either India or Pakistan have the capability of launching nukes or do they have to drop them? And if they do have launch vehicles, how far can they launch their nukes?
                        Lets always remember the passangers on United Flight 93, true heroes in every sense of the word!

                        (Quick! Someone! Anyone! Sava! Come help! )-mrmitchell

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                        • #72
                          Heard on the Radio today that the Indians set their carrier to sea yesterday, and began moving ships from their "Eastern" squadron to their Western Squadron.


                          INS Viraat

                          Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                          • #73
                            good point. I think they have 1000km ranged missiles, IIRC from newspaper reports. this will render new-delhi and bombay out of range, again, IIRC. but Karachi , the biggest pakistani city , is not safe , due to the superiority of the Indian Navy. they have a goddamn carrier.
                            urgh.NSFW

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Dalgetti
                              good point. I think they have 1000km ranged missiles, IIRC from newspaper reports. this will render new-delhi and bombay out of range, again, IIRC. but Karachi , the biggest pakistani city , is not safe , due to the superiority of the Indian Navy. they have a goddamn carrier.
                              Well, you gotta remeber, the damn thing is nearly 60 yrs old, and only has Harriers and Helicopters.

                              Although, India will supposebly be accepting the transfer of the Old soviet Admiral Gorshkov next year, after they fix it up a bit.
                              Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Defiant
                                Does either India or Pakistan have the capability of launching nukes or do they have to drop them? And if they do have launch vehicles, how far can they launch their nukes?
                                They both have missiles for their nukes. India's can reach pretty much anywhere in Pakistan, but Pakistan's are much more limited. I think they'd get much more range dropping them off airplanes, but most of the news reports center on missiles, so maybe they're not considering bombers. A bomber would be much more vulnerable, of course.

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