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What do you think should happen to Gibraltar? At current time there are the five options (plus the obligatory banana) given above.
No prizes for guessing which one I voted for
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What do you think should happen to Gibraltar? At current time there are the five options (plus the obligatory banana) given above.
No prizes for guessing which one I voted for
58It should remain under British control15.52%9It should be ceded to Spain34.48%20Britain & Spain should be given joint sovereignty1.72%1It should be given independence1.72%1They should be allowed to decide for themselves in a referendum (with the 4 above options)37.93%22It should be made into a banana republic8.62%5Last edited by Clear Skies; May 20, 2002, 08:31."Love the earth and sun and animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown . . . reexamine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency" - Walt Whitman -
Dam the Spanish, I say we keep it. No referendum needed its a British owned territory that was given to us in-perpetuality (i.e. FOR EVER) by the Spanish in 17sumin.
The Spaniards just keep harping on about it, if they want a war we'll give em one, after all we practiced landing on Spanish Beaches 2 months ago under cover of a black bag opp explained as beach landing practice on Gibralter. -
Use it as a nuclear missle range.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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Gibraltar Español.
«… Santander, al marchar te diré, guarda mi corazón, que por él volveré ». // Awarded with the Silver Fleece Medal SEP/OCT 2003 by "The Spanish Civilization Site" Spanish Heroes: "Blas de Lezo Bio" "Luis Vicente de Velasco Bio" "Andrés de Urdaneta Bio" "Don Juan de Austria Bio"Comment
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It should become an international sanctuary for the apes (and the UN).We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.Comment
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Yeah, those British really need a sanctuary...
«… Santander, al marchar te diré, guarda mi corazón, que por él volveré ». // Awarded with the Silver Fleece Medal SEP/OCT 2003 by "The Spanish Civilization Site" Spanish Heroes: "Blas de Lezo Bio" "Luis Vicente de Velasco Bio" "Andrés de Urdaneta Bio" "Don Juan de Austria Bio"Comment
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If gibraltar remains british, they will have to continue receiving british funds to survive.
If gibraltar becomes independent, they will have to become a fiscal paradise (i.e., like Cayman islands) to survive. Or a banana republic
A joint sovereignty would only be a temporal solution. Finally, spain would take control.
The most logical option is to give Gibraltar back to Spain (not to "cede" it). If british want to maintain their naval base there, I see no problems with that."Son españoles... los que no pueden ser otra cosa" (Cánovas del Castillo)
"España es un problema, Europa su solución" (Ortega y Gasset)
The Spanish Civilization Site
"Déjate llevar por la complejidad y cabalga sobre ella" - Niessuh, sabio cívicoComment
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Give it to the Pal's.
Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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So the populace shouldn't get any say?"Love the earth and sun and animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown . . . reexamine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency" - Walt WhitmanComment
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The population of Gibraltar want to remain under British rule, and thus, the status quo should stick.Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda SmithComment
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jajaja
I supose you really believe in fairy talesOriginally posted by SMAC Fanatic
So the populace shouldn't get any say?
There are so many hypocrisi in our western democracies.
«… Santander, al marchar te diré, guarda mi corazón, que por él volveré ». // Awarded with the Silver Fleece Medal SEP/OCT 2003 by "The Spanish Civilization Site" Spanish Heroes: "Blas de Lezo Bio" "Luis Vicente de Velasco Bio" "Andrés de Urdaneta Bio" "Don Juan de Austria Bio"Comment
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Well, nobody asked them when the british invaded it (just jokingSo the populace shouldn't get any say?).
There is a problem with that.
If they want to remain british (and, believe me, they want), then we should ask the british if they want to continue paying them for their loyalty as they do today. The british government doesn't want to.
If they want to become spanish, then we should ask the spanish if we want to get gibraltar back.
And why should they become independent? They've never been. Gibraltar is, geographically and historically speaking, a spanish city. It was military occupied by the british at the end of 17th century, but there is no reason to give them independency."Son españoles... los que no pueden ser otra cosa" (Cánovas del Castillo)
"España es un problema, Europa su solución" (Ortega y Gasset)
The Spanish Civilization Site
"Déjate llevar por la complejidad y cabalga sobre ella" - Niessuh, sabio cívicoComment
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Re: jajaja
Package a deal with Guam.
Pal's get Gibralter, Israel gets Guam.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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Just because it's idealistic doesn't mean it shouldn't happen. That's an attitude far too many people take. Nothing gives Britain the right to decide the fate of these people - at the moment, Blair isn't even listening to their views."Love the earth and sun and animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown . . . reexamine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency" - Walt WhitmanComment
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That's exactly what happened with Hong Kong, isn't it?Originally posted by SMAC Fanatic
Nothing gives Britain the right to decide the fate of these people
"Son españoles... los que no pueden ser otra cosa" (Cánovas del Castillo)
"España es un problema, Europa su solución" (Ortega y Gasset)
The Spanish Civilization Site
"Déjate llevar por la complejidad y cabalga sobre ella" - Niessuh, sabio cívicoComment
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