Israeli governement won't allow the creation of a Palestinian state.

[Urban Ranger]

It seems to be an interesting "bad guy - good guy" ploy.

The Likhud voted against allowing the establishment of a Palastinian state. On this occasion, Sharon was speaking against the motion and he was boo'ed on TV. The thing is, if these bums are so keen on putting their words in action, they could have ceased supporting Sharon, thus kicking him off from the office of the prime minister (I am not sure if they can do that, it seems a reasonable guess).

But they didn't. They just passed this non-binding motion. Big deal. It seems the whole thing is just designed to make Sharon look better.

[Saint Marcus]

I may be mistaken but, to me, Netanyahu, is simply the kind of man that says just about anything to be elected.

And he dares to blame Arafat for being two-faced...

[Ecowiz Returns]

Dino:
Thanks for the report.

First, my opinion:
There is nothing in the world completely imune to misuse and unlawfull utilization.
As far as I understood the news, it seems the terrorists used UN uniforms. That is an unfortunate possibility.
However, I think the Israelli government reaction was seriously out of proportion and with the intent to dramatize the situation in order to vitimize themselves even more.
If not, think of this. Not a long time ago, Palestinian terrorists, with IDF uniforms entered a settlement and comited a terract.
However, noone heard the Israelli Governement issuing an investigation or even claiming to exist some pro-Palestinian 5th column inside IDF. However, that would be the exact reaction one would expect if it had the same degree of paranoic demonstration of the Israelli Government's toward the incident in Lebanon.

Now, a few questions:
- In what way did this incident afected the results of the UN mission in Lebanon?

- What about Kosovo/Macedonia; Bosnia and East Timor?

[Ecowiz Returns]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
And he dares to blame Arafat for being two-faced...

Look, SM, Arafat has, in many ocasions been a bit two-faced.
Just because I honestly can't find any Palestinian better that can, still have some degree of control over this process, doesn't mean I think Arafat is doing a good job.

However, I would expect much more from the hugelly more civilized Israelli democracy.

[Sirotnikov]

However, noone heard the Israelli Governement issuing an investigation or even claiming to exist some pro-Palestinian 5th column inside IDF. However, that would be the exact reaction one would expect if it had the same degree of paranoic demonstration of the Israelli Government's toward the incident in Lebanon.

There are 1.2 Million israeli arabs, most of whom are of palestinian nationality.

Some, thankfully very very little, are indeed beginning to support the terror and for a year now, it is suspected that some arabs did give terrorists logistical support.

But don't think that Israel intends to take any steps against a legitimate part of the nation.

[Eli]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
I am, since it was Netanyahu (of all people) who signed Oslo.

Did I miss something here?

[Natan]

UR: I don't think it's a conspiracy. I don't think there's a way to remove a sitting Likud leader like that; and if there is, it's the sort of trauma no party wants to go through, especially given that he hasn't yet entered negotiations to create a Palestinian state.

Arrian: The problem is that it's not just a simple pick-one-of-three choice. The borders of any future Palestinian entity, and the extent of its powers, are not set in stone. Israel knows that, and the Palestinians know that. That's why there's a conflict.

[CyberGnu]

Marcus, Netanyahu didn't sign the Oslo accord, that was Perez and Rabin, something they shared the Nobel peace prize for (with Arafat, of course).

The effective death of Oslo came when Netanyahu came ot power, and he publically declared that he was not going to implement the Oslo accords.


Oddly enough, none of the ISraeli apologists here have commented on the lack of suprise that the Likud party doesn't want peace...

[Sirotnikov]

Nethanyahu publically declared that he won't implement the Oslo accords if the palestinians won't implement their part (fighting terror).

It was his famous coinage : "They give (security) they'll receive (land). They won't give (security) they won't receive (land)".


Furthermore - peace comes in many different ways.

I'm sure that the far right wingers want peace. Their vision of it is Palestinians living in Jordan.

What you mean, is that Likkud doesn't want a Palestinian state.

That's their decision. I think I've stated enough times what I believe.

If you want, I can repeat that.

[Sirotnikov]

What is expecting my answer?

I guess this is just like the rest of your case - nonexistant

[Saint Marcus]

It was his famous coinage : "They give (security) they'll receive (land). They won't give (security) they won't receive (land)".

and now he says: They' won't give (security) they won't recieve (land), and even if they do give (security) they won't recieve (land)

tell me, what incentive do the pals have now to stop their terracts?


Anyway, this makes things all quite clear that Israel wants to fully annex the west bank. And already 40% of that land is occupied by jewish settlers (accoring to a jewish charity organisation), and is rising.

Why don't we just put the same sanctions on Israel as we put in Iraq?

[Adam Smith]

Just saw something this morning about a growing split in the Palestinians between Mohammed Dahlau (Pal security chief in Gaza) and Jibril Rajoub (Pal security chief in WB). Anybody know more about who these two people are, what their positions are, why the split, and is it likely to matter?

[Eli]

Jibril Rajoub, or Gavriel Regev, depends if you're a Shabaknik or not, is one of the best Palestinian leaders. His men were engaged in terrorism, but nothing really serious. His mother was Jewish.

[Saint Marcus]

His mother was Jewish.

He was engaged in terrorism, but it's not bad cause he's half jewish and tha makes him "one of the best Palestinian leaders"?

Probably not, so what makes him so good (besides being involved in terrorism and having a jewish mom)?

[CyberGnu]

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9605/30/israel.peace.loses/

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9607/10/netanyahu.congress/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9811/07/israel.bomb.03/index.html

Netanyahu went to elections promising the death of Oslo.